Who is Jesus and why did he come to Earth?

gasmanobt3 What version are you reading? All versions I checked say the same thing. Verses 12-14 clearly state that: In 12; The people wanted a king instead of a Divine Ruler. Verse 13: The presentation of a newly appointed king. Verse 14; If the people follow the king and the king follows the LORD, the LORD is okay with this arrangement.

True, the Lord was pleased when Samuel annointed Saul as king over Israel. You’re right about that to a point. Remember who the king was? Saul. Saul was appointed king and he went through with following God’s commands but then when David came into the picture Saul all but forgot God because Saul had too much pride. The point is, and this relays back to the original question, that there is only one King and His name is Jesus. He came to seek and to save we who were lost. He was fully God and fully man.

Elone, your interpreting the passage incorrectly. It refers to the obedience to God’s laws that were given to the Israelites. Verse 12 is very specific in that God says that He was their king while the Israelites obeyed the commandments of God. Israel was in such turmoil that they wanted a king to rule them and they disobeyed God’s instructions and they got punished for their wrong choice.

Nothing taken personally; I did spend a year studying with the witnesses; they are very serious Bible students.

Look at 1 Samuel 12: 11-17

Elone, that’s interesting - what theology are you referring to there? I know it’s not orthodox Christian belief - is it the teaching of a particular church?

Jesus is the first creation made by God, through him all things are made manifest. He is here because when the Hebrews were asked if they wanted to be ruled by God or man, they chose man. Even Saul, David and Solomon did not live up to the expectations set upon them. Jesus is the answer to the question that man wants to be ruled by man; that is why Jesus always referred to himself as the “Son of Man”

Jesus is Gods anointed son. Despite the hateful opposition that Jesus experienced, he did God’s will and maintained integrity to death on a torture stake. He thereby paid the ransom price to redeem mankind from the death-dealing consequences of Adam’s sin. (Matthew 20:28) Hence, on the eve of his death, Jesus could confidently pray: “I have glorified you on the earth, having finished the work you have given me to do. So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was.” (John 17:4, 5) Jesus could say those words to his heavenly Father because he was successfully meeting the test of accountability and was acceptable to God. Does that help?

Well, these translations don’t name Jesus as the first creation, at least as they are interpreted by orthodox Christians. (By ‘orthodox’ I mean ‘standard’ e.g. Baptists, Catholics, Pentecostals, Free Church, Methodist, whatever…)

Orthodox belief is that Jesus is not created, he is God. He was there in the beginning, with God the Father and the Spirit, and was an integral part of the creation.

I know that the Jehovah’s Witnesses believe he was the first created being, and that’s what I thought you might be coming from.

I think the second bit of your answer, relating Jesus’ time on earth to the Hebrew’s desire to be ruled by a man, is very interesting. I know Jesus came to show us the way to God, to teach us more about God and to die for our sins, but a theological link to this point in the Old Testament is intriguing. I hadn’t heard it before.

I hope you don’t feel I’m picking on you about the ‘created/not created’ thing. I think to your personal faith it might make little or no difference (although others may disagree!). It does make a difference to churches/cults who collectively don’t believe that Jesus is God, because they end up seeing his sacrifical death as relatively insignificant, whereas in orthodox Christianity it’s the biggest thing in the whole Bible.

different point of views.

christians: jesus is the son of god, who came to earth to die for human kind making it easier for them to get into heaven.

muslims: jesus was a prophet, but not the son of god. jesus was born of the virgin mary, but wasn;t cruxified, instead was saved before that and brought into heaven. jesus is to come at the end of times, too

For all who are think Jesus is a seperate being from god,genral. He is not. Jesus, the holy ghost, and God are all the same beings. Jesus is his own father because all of the decendents of Adam, all humans, are not perfect and pure and only the Lord is perfect in ever sense and he took a human to show us the error of our ways to make us repent for our sins so it didnt add up so that no one could get through the gates of heaven.

Thanks - that’s helpful.

Are you serious? This is to the person who asked the question.

Jesus is the mighty son of God sent to Earth to serve as a ransom sacrifice, who died and deliver us from the Adamic sin…

The Christian Bible: KJV, RSV, etc.

Jesus is my Saviour, Lord and Friend.

This is not some boast on my part - the same offer is open to everyone!

I’m not convinced that he did.

Jesus came to earth to pay for price for my and your sins - without that sacrifice, man had no hope of going to Heaven for God cannot even look upon sin - the blood of Jesus covers our sins, where they are seen and remembered, no more by that sacrifice - God loved us enough to provide this way to eternal life with Him - so Jesus was crucified, died, and was buried. Then he arose from the dead and ascended to heaven. This is central to the Christian faith, because the entire reason for Jesus’ coming was to defeat the consequences of sin, and eternal death. Christians believe that Jesus took the death penalty of sin upon Himself, and paid the price on our behalf. The commemoration of the birth of Jesus Christ has been observed for centuries as Christmas. There is no scriptural commandment to celebrate Christmas, but the significance of Christmas should be obvious to anyone. It roughly marks the day to remember, when God gave to us the greatest gift ever given in the history of mankind. He gave Himself as God the Son, Jesus, who would choose to die in our place. His unique blood was destined to wash our sins away then, now, and forever.

Faith is believing without the benefit of seeing. Jesus suffered and died horribly on the cross for our benefit. Believing, without seeing, should not be much of a burden to bear. The name of Jesus does not demand death for those who use it inappropriately, but offers life for those who write it upon their hearts…Hope this helps !!