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Here is something to think about. It is extremely easy for someone to imagine that they are in pain or are recovering. Mind over matter. A great example is Tom Sawyer, he imagined that his toe was hurting to get out of school and eventually it really began to hurt. Now, if ONE human can put very little effort into such a thought and creates the pain in the toe, then isnt it possible that perhaps thousands of people believing in something could, in a sense, CREATE a diety? Say the creation of the world as we know it was indeed a massive random "mistake" (for lack of a better word) and we just...HAPPENED. Looking for an explanation, we began to spread theories, and theories turned into myths, and myths turned into beliefs (and for some extremists belief turns into fact. psh). So is it not completely plausible that we were not created by a diety, and if there are dieties out there, WE created THEM, with something similar to the placebo effect, we hoped and believed until it happened. hmmm...just something to think about.
Nice toad, but to do that we'll have to get people to stop wanting to die o_o Interesting thoughts.
An interesting thing about time. Even if what we do now affects the past, it doesn't effect our past, it's already done and gone. The only thing that it can effect on us, the living is the future. Perhaps in a parallel universe it's affecting something that already happened, but it would be no longer our past since, again, it's done and gone. The holocaust has happened, we're still be teaching it, people lived and died, ect, ect. But here's something to think about, who isn't to say we're the past of some parallel universe that would be the future to us? Or maybe everything has already happened, our death, our marriage(if we marry), everything and our minds are just recalling it this way, breaking it down, perhaps random jumps into what seems the "future" causing the illusions of disavu(sp???) or peering into the future, when really it's already done.
The world revolves around the beholder, so in a since, yeah, the world revolves around you. You're the surveyor, author of your life. You hear about people in India people in India but they've yet to exist to you because you've yet to see them, a person doesn't exist in your world until you see them. And when you die your world ends, it doesn't continue for you because you're no longer the surveyor. If enough people share enough thoughts and "personal truths" that bridge their worlds, who isn't to say the mass of thoughts and energy put into those thoughts wouldn't create some universal truth.
That's an interesting idea, but I don't agree with it. Its good to be curious and wonder the hows and whys of our existence, but some things go beyond reason and logic. For example, you cant test or prove love or peace, or joy, or wonder, because such things are only found in the heart. I found some great quotes such as... *A few obervation and much reasoning lead to error; many observations and a little reasoning to truth. -Alexis Carrel *That deep emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God. -Albert Einstein *All of our reasoning ends in surrender to feeling-Blaise Pascal
My point is you can believe things into existance, but I do not believe God is one of them, and I encourage you to not reason so much that you miss the truth. Of course, you may not believe me and you may read this and critisize it, but I leave this post with full respect for your beliefs and I hope you will be respectful to mine, weather or not you choose to consiter what I say. God bless
Tom Sawyer's toe problem sounds more like a psychosomatic pain than a physical one. Other possibilities are that limping in order to feign an injury that his changed gait caused an actual injury. He may have had a painful toe several times in the past but didn't ruminate on it because it never occurred immediately after he imagined the same affliction.
Pain has a subjective as well as physical component.. Someone can convince themselves that they have an affliction; this is called hypochondria. Yes, you can convince yourself that you have a physical problem but you are only changing your subjective reality, not objective reality.
A thought by itself will not change reality outside the thinker's mind and brain. No mater how many people "send a message out to the universe" the only thing that comes of it is sales of self-help books.
ichibanarky I said in the question that if the world was created by accident, so no the world wouldnt have to be created by a diety. It could have started as an accident, and then progressed to imagining up a diety that eventually came to be. and not one person would create it, but religions have lots of followers and those thousands of people thinking the same thing could have amounted to the dieties, not just one person
btw this is just a theory, a thought, a simple little stray part of my day that I find very interesting
and mike you are absolutly right lol. My dad used to say that time is a pretzel not a line, so in a sense, what we do now could effect more than the future O.O deep thoughts. deep.
Here's the only flaw I see. Someone can affect themselves. Like you said, Tom made himself believe his toe was hurting so it did. There are examples of this happening all the time. Now what he couldn't have done is inflicted this onto someone else. I don't think you can affect anyone outside of your own mind. He couldn't imagine that someone else's toe was hurting and put them in a great deal of pain. So the same would go for the deity. One could imagine it themselves if they believed hard enough, but they couldn't inflict on others without the other person agreeing to it or having the same mindset.
I hope that made sense, it all just kind of came out in an unorganized blurb.
agreed, but the toe was more of a loose example that the mind has a bit of power. A better example would be The Secret, when you send a message out to the universe very strongly it begins to happen, and having thousands of people sending the message that there is a diety out there, the universe might produce it. Its just a theory, and im afraid I didnt do too good of a job at explaining it but it is a very interesting thing to think about. Being scared humans, maybe some of them felt like they needed a higher power to protect them, and in a sense, it occured. hmmm...
I don't have all the answers, and I do accept that. I know there is no physical proof, except for the beauty of creation. At times I misinterpret things and many times I have been wrong, but I do know what my beliefs are and I do stand by them. It is not my intention, and I do not have the heart to force my beliefs on anyone, but if what I say makes even the smallest difference, then it is worth it to share my testimony. Also, I do also consiter different ideas of different religions. Its like Confusious said everything has it beauty but not everyone sees it.
I respect your beliefs, but you have to realize that while I may be missing the truth, you might be as well. We do not know as a 100% fact that there is a diety or dieties out there, and if there is, there is no solid proof that its the Christian diety. So your perception of truth is a little off, seeing as how religion is all opinion and no fact. And thats ok. Whats bordering on not ok, is when people assume that their ideas are the only ones that are right, and the only idea that holds truth.
Here's the thing, though...based on the idea of a deity, in order for people to even be able to exist there would have had to have been a deity already...so...by imagining that a deity is there would you just be doing what your deity had already programmed you to do, or would you be creating a new deity at the cost of angering the original one?
Certainly we have control over our own bodies, but I doubt that anyone could imagine a deity and cause it to come to life.
What if humanity creates the deity and then, since the deity exists everywhere at once and that COULD mean it exists in all times at once as well, the deity creates the Universe?
Things get interesting when you abandon the silly notion that there's only three dimensions.
Wow... Thats deep. Great thoughts. Good question and answer. Its like one of those conundrums. A problem in a problem. (correct me if I am using the wrong term) You think of something and it conflicts with something else.
Here's something for you to think about.
If you talk to God, you are praying. If God talks to you, you have schizophrenia.
Well, if mere belief creates things, then let's put those beliefs to good use and create an end to death altogether.
Then thats nice. Thank you for your post
