This question is mostly directed at Christians on this site...but whatever. ; ) I was wondering, you know how...the whole "left behind" thing works. I mean, if God only takes the chosen ones (innocent ones, believers, children, etc.) then what about the rest of us? Does that mean we no longer have a chance?
According to the research of Mr. Ladd, a noted bible scholar, the Rapture, as it is now termed (though the word is found no where in the bible- I've checked every translation myself) will not happen until the very end of the tribulation, as a matter of fact, during or just before the Glorious Appearing. As I have reseached his definitions and cross referenced them with the study bible by Tim Lahaye, I have come to realize that the very verses Tim Lahaye uses to promote this very new theory (only just over 130 years old) when placed back in context of the verses around them actually concur with the old teachings.
I do understand that the end will not come until there is the great Tribulation. During this period there will be a great multitude, which no one can number who come to the Lord. I do NOT however feel that Christians will be saved from this wrath. Jesus said in Matthew 24 that the time would be shortened for the Elect's sake. That is us, Christians. According to the Apostles, this is the way it would happen.
I do not mean to judge those who believe the other theory, but it is just not logical. If you keep Revelations in context, you see that there will be a great many martyrs. Many Christians will willingly give their lives for Christ. If I'm still alive when the Tribulation begins I intend to be one of them.
By saying when the Rapture occurs there is no second chance, I mean that I proscribe to the old theory. I mean that I believe when Jesus calls us at the last TRUMPET (which you will not is just at the time of the Glorious Appearing) that is it, the end, no more chances.
Also, for those who have heard of Jesus and rejected Him, who die during or before the Tribulation, there will be no second chances. This is why I say to tell your friends about the Word as soon as possible. It just makes sense. If your friend's house was burning and they were sleeping, would you not wake them?
I know that there are many different theories, mine does seem very gloomy, but if you remember, there is an old saying: If you always prepare for the worst, often you will be pleasantly surprised.
Sorry if I didn't clarify enough earlier.
I'm borrowing these words but they work as an explaination I have also added the link I'm quoting from so you may view the complete statement..
Revelation 20:3-8 is the only passage in the entire scriptures that the so-called premillinialists have as the basis for the "1000 year reign." What endless variations of concocted fables have resulted! Clearly it does not contain the detail that they attribute to it.
First, it should be pointed out that scripture does not speak of "the thousand year reign of Christ." Revelation 20:4 says, "...and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God,...and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." It's not Christ that reigns 1000 years, but those who were killed for God's sake that reign with Christ 1000 years.
To illustrate, consider the phrase, "John Doe reigned with the king for one year." Does this mean the king reigned for only one year? No, it does not. The king could reign for many years, but the point is not how long the king reigned but how long John reigned with the king. The king isn't the subject, it is speaking about how long John reigns with him. Likewise, Revelation 20:4 is not about how long Jesus will reign, but how long others will reign with Jesus. There's a big difference. There are some things not mentioned in Revelation 20.
First, it does not mention the second coming of Christ. Second, it does not mention a reign on earth. Third, this passage does not mention a bodily resurrection. Fourth, it does not mention Christ on earth. And fifth, it does not mention us, it says "they" lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Oh. . . no problem flosshead
How can you say there are steps when the thief on the cross did no steps. It so simple a child can do it repent. meaning turn around and go the other way. The rapture has been an argument for years. The bible also say to not argue about meaningless geaneologies. I personally am on the first boat out of here, and I hope to grab two unbelievers on my way up, then they will have the choice in the air accept or I will let go. just kidding. the rapture is a name give to the taking away in the bible it is so controversial some people don;t want to be taken away, well I say let them stay. some want to escape the tribulation. thats part of what saved means, saved from what. in all scripture God gave His people away out. will it be any different in the end. I don't think so. I am intitled to my beliefs and you are intitled to your beliefs.
I don't believe the rapture will be before the tribulation personally. I feel it will be during the glorious appearing. So no, in that case, there wouldn't be. If you however read the account of Tim Lahaye and Jerry B. Jenkins, they believe you would have a second chance. I try to urge people not to count on it, because you never know when the last day will come, you know?
As for who God takes and how he judges it. I agree that innocents will be taken as well as those who have recieved the gift of salvation. It's one little step.
This site has more information, as well as a section about Bible prophecy. It also has the salvation prayer in an easy form so if you are worried about someone you can give it to them. Fun Mail me if you have more questions.
The sinners prayer is not Scriptural either. . .
What does one have to do in order to be forgiven of their sins? they must
(1) Hear the Gospel of Christ;
(2) Believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God;
(3) Repent of all their past sins;
(4) Confess that Christ is God’s Son;
(5) Be baptized for the remission of sins.
When they does this, they are added by the Lord to His church (Acts 2:41,47). they are born again (John 3:3-5; 2 Corinthians 5:17). they are in Christ where all spiritual blessings are to be found. (Ephesians 1:3; Galatians 3:26,27). In short, they are a Christian (Acts 11:26; 26:28; 1 Peter 4:16).
Pipet, The thief on the Cross died under the law of Moses. . . Think about it, Are you living under the law of Moses or the law of Christ? I'm living under the law of Christ. . . And why didn't Cornelius just pray this prayer instead of sending for peter Act 10:17 Now while Peter was much perplexed in himself what the vision which he had seen might mean, behold, the men that were sent by Cornelius, having made inquiry for Simon's house, stood before the gate,
It's hard not got get bogged down in ludicrous minuitiae when you're talking about The Rapture, but, whilst I don't believe in it, folks, I'd just like to suggest all of us Christians look together at the big picture, rather than getting stuck on arguing the small stuff.
The big picture: Jesus and the people of the world.
The small stuff: dates, events, times etc.
Once we get onto the small stuff I really think we begin to ignore the big picture.
u still do have a choice, but its going to be a lot harder for the ones being left behind, it says that the sun or moon wont shine anymore, water will turn to blood, if you decided you wanted to be a christian after being left behind then you would have to stand up for your faith and more then likely be put to death, but in the end you will be rewarded :)
im a firm believer in christ, hes the stronghold of my life
My understanding when the Rapture happens and if you're left behind, you will still be able to be saved for a period of time - however, there will come a time when it will be impossible - if you're left behind things will rapidly get worse (start of the Tribulation period, rise of the Anti-Christ, mark of the beast, Christians put to death, etc) - it will get increasingly more difficult.
you still have a chance but why waite read the bible now and study his word I can tell you don't want to go to hell so if you truly love Jesus pray dear Jesus I would like you to come into my heart and save me ride me from sin and past mistakes love me and help me to share your love and truth with others in your holy name I pray amen
You people are truly delusional.
"I do not mean to judge those who believe the other theory, but it is just not logical."
I actually did LOL when I read this. To say either of these "theories" are logical is the height of ignorance. There is not one shred of logic involved in any of this rapture nonsense.
rnealw and I are Christians who don't believe in all the rapture business. (Sorry, rnealw to quote you here, but I love what you've written about it on previous questions - would you like to make your contribution here?) rnealw is much more patient than I am at explaining this one...
but why wouldnt anyone have a second chance? as long as you accept Jesus into your life you are saved and living eternally w/ him. just wondering, this question was directed to torikeene, thanks for the time :)
it means you sinners get to have fun being in eternal pain and suffering at the hands of satan
The great tribulation was the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE. Jesus isn't coming back.
Okay well thanks so much. Everyone. I was just wondering. ; ) Blessings!