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“THEY [MORMONS] ARE A WALKING EXAMPLE OF CONTRADICTION”

I’m not a Mormon, but wife is… which pretty much makes me a Mormon.

However, your rambling condemnation of their church could basically directed at any Christian church, including your own. Just substitute your favorite prophet (or Jesus for that matter) for Joseph Smith, and the logic holds true. There’s not a single Christian church today that follows all the tenets of the early Christian churches, nor do they even follow all of Jesus’ supposed teachings. Heck, you can’t even agree amongst yourselves fairly basic, fundamental things like when the Sabbath should be observed (technically, “Sunday” is NOT the Sabbath). Here’s a teaching I bet you don’t obey (nor should you): Jesus believed in stoning to death disobedient children - see Deut 21:18-21 and Matt 15:3-4 and Mark 7:9-13. And besides, I’d like to see you even try to follow all the teachings in the Bible - ha ha ha, you’d have to follow contradictory statements. And to really understand what was going on in the Bible, you’d also have to learn the original languages of the Bible, because the current translations are full of errors (it’s not “thou shalt not kill,” it’s “you shall not murder,” for example). You’d also have to become experts on the cultures that produced the biblical works, to understand them in their full context.

The fact is, Mormonism has more proof of its validity than any other Christian denomination. Whereas with the Bible, we literally have no idea who most of the Biblical authors were, we know exactly who Joseph Smith was, and who his fellow LDS founders were, and can see their testimonies of seeing the gold plates that the Book of Mormon supposedly came from, and their testimonies of seeing God and Jesus and some of the prophets, and so on. And we can base our belief or non-belief about their testimony based on who they were and the lives they lead. We have no such ability with the Bible, as most of it was written and re-written and re-transcribed and re-translated by nameless, faceless ancient and modern scribes.

As for Joseph Smith, I don’t believe that he was a prophet, but I believe that HE believed that he was a prophet. Were he a true fraud, were he a charlatan, he would have high-tailed it out of town at the first sign of trouble with the wolves at the gates. His life was constantly threatened, he was jailed numerous times on trumped up charges, and still he returned time and again to lead the Mormon people; and, ultimately, he died for his faith.

In truth, the greatest anti-mormonism comes from the days of the early Mormon church. First of all, people in this country haven’t always treated people of differing religions kindly. Catholics were for a long time ostracized - in pre-Revolutionary northern colonies, they couldn’t vote nor take part in government! So here’s this upstart young man who calls himself a prophet, and claims that all other churches are false. Well, no consider yourself a preacher of the other, established religions - you of course start telling your congregation that Smith is a liar and a fraud and a spawn of Satan, etc.

Beyond that, though, the Mormons found trouble in Missouri because most of them were from Northern states, and Missouri was a slave state. The Mormons were prosperous, and they started gobbling up land in western Missouri. They also claimed (and still do) that the New Jerusalem would be coming to western Missouri (Independence, to be exact). This infuriated the pro-slavery folks in MO, and the Governor at the time actually enacted an extermination order against Mormons, to either kill or drive all Mormons out of the state… a execution order that wasn’t removed from the law books until 1976!!!

After that, the Mormons escaped to IL, where they were welcomed… for awhile. They became very prosperous in a city renamed by Joseph Smith to Nauvoo. Indeed, at the height of Mormon settlement there, Nauvoo rivaled Chicago in size, population and began to be a political powerhouse. This became a political threat to those in power in Illinois, and people in the communities surrounding Nauvoo became jealous and incensed at the prosperity and political/military might of Nauvoo (Joseph Smith was captain of the Nauvoo Legion, a militia). In fact, Smith was a Presidential candidate at the time of his assassination by a mob, as he sat in jail in Carthage, IL.

In short, hatred of the Mormons was sparked by their difference from others around them, by their prosperity, by their rising political influence - indeed, all the reasons bigots usually hate others (Jews, Catholics, etc).

God did speak thru men as they wrote the Bible. It was God-breathed, yet the men wrote with their own personalities intact. The Bible is complete/canonized/finished and warns of any new revelations coming after it as deception. It even says that even if an angel comes with a different gospel message, then let that angel be accursed. Joseph Smith had a revelation from an angel.

Here read Galatians 1:6-12 for yourselves:

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Mormons clearly overlook or explain away the above listed verses.

You see it’s all about Jesus and Him crucified/buried & resurrected…not Joe Smith/the outward appearance of moral living/prophets/supposed racial superiority/the priesthood/temple ceremonies/being married in the afterlife/secret temple rituals/being baptized for the dead/etc. These things change not ones inner conscience and heart!

It’s truly about Jesus for He is the only way for us to be saved from our sins. Jesus is the final & true revelation of God. Therefore your doctrine is in error.

sillygirl006, please be honest and tell people what Mormons really believe. What I said is true and it’s written in your Mormon documents. I will also add that while Mormons do have a strong sense of family and try to live moral lives they have a different message of salvation that the Bible doesn’t agree with. Your writings say that in 1823 Joseph Smith had another heavenly visitation, in which an angel named Moroni told him of a sacred history written by ancient Hebrews in America, engraved in an Egyptian dialect on tablets of gold and buried in a nearby hill. No evidence of Hebrews or Egyptians living in the Americas during the purported time that J. Smith said. Plus the Bible warns against any angel or entities bringing a different gospel other than the Holy Bible which is how Joseph claims mormonism/LDS was founded.

Joseph was told the golden plates were the history of the ancient peoples of America, and that Joseph would be the instrument for bringing this record to the knowledge of the world. Joseph obtained these gold plates from the angel in 1827, and translated them into English by the spirit of God and the use of a sacred instrument accompanying the plates called the “Urim and Thummim.” These plates were only “seen” by a few people close to Joseph and no one else ever again. You think they’d be on display in Utah somewhere if they were real.

The above is neither historically nor archeologically sound/proven. This is purely out of Joseph Smith’s vivid imagination. There are also numerous time-line inconsistencies with the very origin story of Mormonism above.

Lastly, Joseph Smith said that the Book of Mormon contained the “fulness of the gospel.” However, its teaching on many doctrinal subjects has been ignored or contradicted by the present LDS church, and many doctrines now said by the church to be essential are not even mentioned there. Examples are the church’s position on the nature of God, the Virgin Birth, the Trinity, polygamy, Hell, priesthood, secret organizations, the nature of Heaven and salvation, temples, proxy ordinances for the dead, and many other matters.

The Curse of Cain (the black race is not entitled to hold God’s priesthood because it is cursed; this doctrine was not abandoned until 1978! LDS Blood Atonement (some sins - apostasy, adultery, murder, interracial marriage - must be atoned for by the shedding of the sinner’s blood, preferably by someone appointed to do so by church authorities) when only the real Jesus Christ of the Bible can forgive/atone for sins!

We can go back and forth all day, but the evidences are just not on the side of the Mormons and their LDS system. I hope you do some extra studying outside the Book of Mormon so you can see exactly what deceptions you have believed regardless of what you’ve been taught.

sillygirl006, please be honest and tell people what Mormons really believe. What I said is true and it’s written in your Mormon documents. I will also add that while Mormons do have a strong sense of family and try to live moral lives they have a different message of salvation that the Bible doesn’t agree with. I Your writings say that in 1823 Joseph Smith had another heavenly visitation, in which an angel named Moroni told him of a sacred history written by ancient Hebrews in America, engraved in an Egyptian dialect on tablets of gold and buried in a nearby hill.

Joseph was told it was the history of the ancient peoples of America, and that Joseph would be the instrument for bringing this record to the knowledge of the world. Joseph obtained these gold plates from the angel in 1827, and translated them into English by the spirit of God and the use of a sacred instrument accompanying the plates called the “Urim and Thummim.” These plates were only “seen” by a few people close to Joseph and no one else ever again. You think they’d be on display in Utah somewhere if they were real.

The above is neither historically nor archeologically sound/proven. This is purely out of Joseph Smith’s vivid imagination. There are also numerous timeline inconsistencies with the very origin story of Mormonism above.

Lastly, Joseph Smith said that the Book of Mormon contained the “fulness of the gospel.” However, its teaching on many doctrinal subjects has been ignored or contradicted by the present LDS church, and many doctrines now said by the church to be essential are not even mentioned there. Examples are the church’s position on the nature of God, the Virgin Birth, the Trinity, polygamy, Hell, priesthood, secret organizations, the nature of Heaven and salvation, temples, proxy ordinances for the dead, and many other matters.

The Curse of Cain (the black race is not entitled to hold God’s priesthood because it is cursed; this doctrine was not abandoned until 1978! LDS Blood Atonement (some sins - apostasy, adultery, murder, interracial marriage - must be atoned for by the shedding of the sinner’s blood, preferably by someone appointed to do so by church authorities) when only the real Jesus Christ of the Bible can forgive/atone for sins!

We can go back and forth all day, but the evidences are just not on the side of the Mormons and their LDS system. I hope you do some extra studying outside the Book of Mormon so you can see exactly what deceptions you have believed regardless of what you’ve been taught.

You are absolutely right. . . Jesus is the Christ, the one who atoned for the sins of the world. The message brought to Joseph Smith did not contradict the teachings of the Bible, in fact it answers many questions found in the Bible. The priesthood, Holy Temples, life after death, Baptism for the dead, Prophets of God, etc. are all things that Christ taught. The LDS church does in no way go against Christ, we do not worship Joseph Smith nor have we any prophet since him. The Church of Jesus Christ of Ladder Day Saints is the only true church containing the fullness of the gospel, the very gospel which was taught by Christ.

Deal with the doctrinal issues please. Whether you say the Book of Mormon is not an addition to the Bible, you still look to the Book of Mormon for your doctrine. The Book of Mormon is in error on many fronts as previously mentioned. Yes, the Bible is made up of 66 books that fit together perfectly telling of God/His creation/original sin/Jesus Christ/God’s only way of salvation thru Jesus, etc. Therefore the Bible is complete and divine rather than only human in it’s origin. The Bible has stood the test of time and is accurate in all ways. The Book of Mormon is not accurate in all ways.

Let me get right to the point, Joseph Smith borrowed from the Bible and was deceived by a demon who transformed into an angel of light. This demon AKA “moroni” gave false doctrine to Joseph Smith and he founded your LDS belief system on these very lies. Therefore mormonism is not a new revelation from God as you may believe. It’s a deceptive religious system couched in family values and outward signs of goodness. Jesus came to set the captives free and this includes those trapped in the LDS system.

Lastly, we are saved when we believe on Jesus and His completed work on the cross. He took our sins upon Himself that we might not receive the penalty for our sins. Yes, we do love Him for He first loved us and gave Himself as a sacrifice for our sins.

The problem is that mormons have a different Jesus than the historical Jesus revealed in the Bible. You also have a different God the Father. He is your so-called “heavenly father” and he was once a man who had sexual intercourse with Mary to give “spirit baby Jesus” a human body. This flies in the face of the truth. Therefore the LDS teachings (from your various teachers) are false and the truth is not in your system. I pray you find the true God before it’s too late!

I don’t think people hate the LDS religion. But (speaking from experience) active Mormons are very faithful in their religion and want to share it with the world so that others may be “happy like they are.” Which is fine, you know, it’s noble in a way. But not everyone is “happy” in the same way. Some people would totally enjoy spending the day at an amusement park, while others are perfectly content to stay at home and read a nice book. Mormons often claim that their church is the “one and true church” which SEVERAL people disagree with. (me including.) Don’t tell me you aren’t annoyed by the popular girl in school who thinks she’s “all that” cause it’s roughly the same concept.

The burning in the bosom may also signify that you have heart burn from eating a chili dog. You gave a typical Mormon canned response! Mormonism is indeed full of numerous deceptions and historical inaccuracies. For example, there is no real evidence that Israelite-Hebrews were living in America in the past. Don’t say the American Indians had anything to do with that either.

Many Mormon theories don’t hold water and they are unfounded. Don’t let the outward wholesomeness of your Mormon lives give you comfort in you being truly saved from your sins. You are worshiping a different God and have a different Jesus Christ than the historical/evidential Jesus of the Holy Bible. Therefore, you are in error and still in your sins even now. Get unbound from the Temple and get bound in the body of Christ.

Lastly, Jesus and Lucifer never were brothers, so please deal with these issues and seek the truth in the Bible alone, not in other false works of men!

Morons believe (but don’t tell you this up front at your door):…

Jesus and Lucifer (the devil) are spiritual brothers.

Black people could not be inducted into the LDS priesthood. This was because black people were not fighting against the Satan in the battle in heaven. They couldn’t become priests until the 70’s when the LDS church leaders changed to allow them due to pressure from Civil Rights activists.

Mormons believe they know the truth by having a burning feeling in the bosom or chest. This could easily be heartburn or a false indicator of truth. Way too vague to trust this.

The Book of Mormon has been changed over 1,000 times since it was written.

Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism, claimed he found some golden plates buried which had the Book of Mormon written on them. He carried these plates for miles. How could he when they would have weighed over 200 pounds each?

Mormons believe God the Father was once a man who actually have sexual intercourse with Mary to produce Jesus.

These are just a few of the deceptions of the LDS system. They do try to live moral lives, yet they have a different message and a different God than the God of the Bible. Therefore they are in many ways a cult.

I’m not full of anger nor insults. I am a seeker of truth and the LDS system is a farce of great proportions! Regardless of whether you were born into it or later joined doesn’t take away the facts within your belief system.

Check out just one of your LDS false beliefs below…

In Mormonism, the Adam–God theory (also called the Adam–God doctrine) was a doctrine taught by Brigham Young and other early leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints involving the status of Adam as a god prior to his appearance in the Garden of Eden. During the life of Brigham Young, elements of the Adam–God theory were taught in church meetings, sung in church hymns, and included in the church’s Endowment ceremony.

According to Young, the Biblical Adam is identified with the Biblical archangel Michael; he had been resurrected and achieved godhood on another planet. Young said that Adam brought Eve, one of his wives, with him to the Earth, and the both of them became mortal by eating the fruit of the Garden of Eden. Most controversial are Young’s statements that Adam was “our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do”, and that “Jesus, our elder brother, was begotten in the flesh by the same character that was in the Garden of Eden, and who is our Father in Heaven.”

Truly the one example above is one of many falsehoods held by the LDS system. You, therefore, have a different gospel than the one in the Holy Bible and therefore you are still in your sins. Come to the real Christ and be set free from all the temple rituals/baptisms for the dead/works oriented salvation, etc!

To: sillygirl006 You don’t want to deal with the facts about your own LDS system and that is unfortunately to your own detriment. (Informed not insane)

you still have not dealt with the real issues at hand within your belief of mormonism. God breathed His word through men and they wrote in their own personalities exactly what God said. The Bible is an integrated message system, divinely inspired and fully complete as it is.

The most fallible & damnable concept that mormons purport is that the Mormon Jesus is not the eternal God-Jehovah (Elohim), able to save us all to the uttermost. See Hebrews 7:25. Therefore the Mormon “Jesus” is yet “another Jesus,” and Moroni is a false angel of the “accursed” gospel of which Paul speaks about in Galatians 1:8-9.

Do some additional study of those Bible passages above. I pray you see the error of your belief system and come to a saving faith in the real Jesus of the Bible.

it would be “damnable” if you were even close to being correct.

This burning in the bosom is the Holy Ghost testifying of truth. it is as much physical as it is mental and spiritual. It testifies of truth by providing feelings of comfort and understanding. The funny thing about evidence is it can be tampered with and distorted to fit the needs of an individual or group. “what is history but a fable agreed upon?” -Napolean Bonaparte Something tells me infohollic that the mormon missionaries could show up on your doorstep with those golden plates and you still wouldn’t believe Joseph Smith was a prophet.

It’s almost as if you believe that God spoke to man through the Bible, and then never spoke again. Revlation would never again come to man. Not through a prophet, not through scripture, and certainly not through one’s prayers.

!que triste! (how sad).

In Matt 3:11 it talks about baptism by the holy ghost, by fire it’s a burning feeling. Not an uncomfortable one, like the feeling one might get from heart burn, but one of comfort and understanding like a testimony to the soul. and after going throught many of the ancient cities of the americas it is very apparent that the people of the time were living or had once lived the Law of Moses. The similarities of these cities to those of the Middle east are undeniable and serpass any sort of coincidence. Did Christ not say, “other sheep I have which are not of this fold.” John 10:16

You are spewing canned LDS ideologies burned into your mind thru the years as your blind leaders lead you blind followers. Joseph Smith had quite an imagination and he was visited by an “angel” which gave him additional info to supplement the already completed Bible? You say it (the Book of Mormon) explains much of the Bible. How can that be when the Bible even says that one is cursed if they add to or take away from what has already been written & has stood the test of time.

Your so-called answers are in conflict with the Bible because your LDS “doctrine” contains secret oaths/useless rituals/and a works oriented belief. Jesus did not say for anyone to be baptized for the dead! Neither did He say you would die and have your own planet + a spirit wife to make spirit babies. You say you have the fullness of the gospel when the true Gospel is the good news that Jesus came into the world (fully God and fully man) to redeem sinners back to God as we trust/love and believe on Him alone for salvation. You say Jesus atoned for the sins of the world, but you frequently get “baptized” for the dead. The Bible says that it’s appointed for man once to die and after that the judgment. So once one is dead, their chances for salvation are zero!

Lastly, Jesus is not the spirit brother of Lucifer as LDS/mormons believe. Lucifer was a created, high ranking, arch angel who fell by his own pride. Lucifer is now called satan and he has deceived you with his lies about the LDS system.

we also believe in the godhead, not trinity, and personal revelation. actually…there is a whole myriad of reasons why people litterally hate us. anyways, for more about what we believe, you can go to www (dot) lds (dot) org. that’s the offical website of the church.

ps…we ARE christian…

Cause they go around on bikes and try to force people into things. plus they tell people to come to their church but WILL NOT touch ours with a 100 foot stick. And its kinda cult like. And a bunch of other reasons I dont feel like typeing.

ha ha, tell me more about what I don’t know about my own religion. you certainly have a way of twisting the truth. how sad.

I ve know idea at all cause I don’t even know what LDA faith is all about? anyway, could you explain more to me if you don’t mind. THANKS & GOD BLESS:)

sillygirl006 please be specific when you respond. Your post said absolutely nothing constructive. What are you trying to say? Thanks for your help in this matter.

Whoa… let’s see… hmmm… what usually happens to a person’s credibility when they start referring to themselves in the third-person?

sillygirl and other mormons please consider the info put forth by infoholic posted above by me (infoholic). I pray you aren’t relying on a “burning in your bosom” to prove mormonism is true. Truth be told, mormonism is fraught with numerous inconsistencies and outlandish (yet unsupported) stories.

Many are caught up in the LDS church due to the hope of their family being eternally together in the hereafter despite evidence to the contrary. This is only one reason but Joseph Smith did not deliver a new and everlasting message as he claimed he did. Do your homework and check out the evidence for yourself!

infoholic you are obviously very well read. I’ve tried to answer your questions and defend against your accusations, but now I realize that you have no actual desire to learn. you are far more interested in proving how much you know, or at least how much you think you know. While I have done my best to stick to the point, you have responded with anger and insults. Declaring how evil my ways are and the brainwashing that has taken place over the years while my “blind leaders” lead us “blind follwers”. you believe I do not know God or His Son Jesus Christ. When in reality I know them beyond your comprehension. God is my Father in Heaven, who loved the world so much that he gave His only begotton Son. Jesus the Christ who atoned for the sins of the world. I wish you the best. Good luck!

Well… you know how the Christians took the Hebrew Bible, and added stuff to it, thus making the Christian (a.k.a. Holy) Bible.

The Mormans (a.k.a. LDS a.k.a. Latter Day Saints) took the CHRISTIAN Bible, and added stuff to it (not literally). The exrta stuff is in a separate book called the Book Of Mormon.

The also have prophets alive today in their religious infastructure; who can receive new rules, rituals, or instructions DIRECTLY from God himself.

I choose not to be specific because you are insane. I will not humor you and “cast my pearls before swine”.

vinni is doing a great job putting up with you. he is far more patient than I.

one more thing. I told you to read luke because I describes the conception and birth of jesus christ. the way you have descibed mormons to “believe” what happened is mocking the savior. I find your ideas sickening and degrading. to mormons and the savior. read luke and repent.

quickly.

The Bible was added to several times for it to became what it is today. In fact the word “bible” actually means books. the Book of Mormon did not add to the Bible. They are seperate books.

Christ did atone for the sins of the world, however the atonement is no good if it is not acknowledged. we are not saved because Christ died, we are saved because we acknoweldge his love for us and his atoning sacrifice, we are saved because we place our burrdens upon Him.

Lots of answers here: http://www.funadvice.com/q/what_s_the_reason_for_people_despising

oh, thanks everyone for you re explanations:) it helped me understand it a bit more;) GOD BLESS

Okay well I am Mormon and I really don’t know why we get such a bad rap either. I think people are just ignorant.

I’m gonna go with, “it disappears”.

well said.

you’re about…2% correct… our nick name is “mormon”. yeah…that’s about it.

…I’m kind of surprized, however, that you made no mention of the 7 sisterwives that I MUST have, seeing as I am an oppressed woman living in a cult.

my goodness you are ridiculous.

Wow…that is so completely wrong. you have no idea what you are talking about. if you knew anything about the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints. you would know that we don’t solely study the book of mormon. I have had 9 years of formal instruction on the bible. that is study focused on the bible. that is not including the personal time I have spent studying the bible. OH WAIT! make that 10 years…I’m studying the new testament currently in a college class.

I have no idea where you are getting this stuff—the church does not “change” its position. it does not change doctrine. whatever you have against mormons…well, it’s time to get over it.

I don’t know why people do, but Christ was also persecuted while he was on the Earth. I know it is true and encourage you to learn for yourself.