I'm from a town where the KKK is still very strong and active. There's been a lot of uproar lately about their rally's. Some people think that they should be banned and not allowed to go on. What do you think?
Here's My Opinion:
Banning these rally's is taking away their rights and freedoms. We have the freedom of speach and the freedom to asemble. Their rally's do not physically hurt anyone or bring harm to anyone, they are just simply stating that they are there and looking for new comers. You dont have to agree with them, you can simply look the other way and move on with your life. What pisses me off, is the same group of people that are trying to outlaw the KKK rallies, are the people who are allowed to march with their "God hates Fag's" flags down the streets. Why should they be able to voice their opinions if they dont want the KKK to voice theirs.
What's your opinion on the whole thing. Should they have the same rights, or should they have theirs taken away because of the reason for the rally?
Well anyone who believe's that the kkk will benefit society by protesting their views is by the standard of anyone with common sense WRONG. And as you call them "anti fag" rallys are also wrong its the same kind of discrimination that the modern world of today should live without. As for anti abotion rallys thats still a matter of debate, unlike racism or homophobia. people who protest against abortion believe that abortion is murder, of corse it is in my opinion a personal choice, and therefore there are grounds for debate and IS a matter of freedom of speach.However people who protest that blacks and gays are beneith them, and not just the kkk but any group of protesters, I do not think should be aloud to publicly protest in the street and inflict their pathetic views on others, And as for making money??? why should these people be aloud to profit from their ingnorant ways? maybe you dont agree with me? I dont know but im just giving my reasons to why I dont want my children growing up in a world where they are made to feel inadiquate just because of the colour of their skin all beacuse a white man believes he has the right to march up and down my street and shout that his race is superior to ours.
Freedom of speach and protests that benefit society, MEANING the protests of the man and women including homosexuals who have faught for their rights to be treated as equals, which they are, no man is better that another so why we are contemplating society going in reverse I do not understand. So no I do not agree that the KKK should be aloud to march and protest their oppinions because they are not valid or positive to ANYONE in anyway shape or form!
And im sorry but you can not compare someone taking offence to another person having a belieif in god to taking offence so someone trampling through your front garden shouting abuse. Its called putting things into perspective! I too am a believer in freedom of speach and think that you should be aloud to voice your opinion as long as your opinion is valid and not that "WE ARE THE BEST" which is essentially what the kkk are all about!
People do not need to shout and scream or be violent dont you get it:? the fact that they are grouped together to promote racism is WRONG an I dont think they should be aloud to protest there is no positivity in what they do at all, even if they believe that what they are doin is positive its not and that is a fact that no person can argue with! Racism is something that demotes equality where is the good in that??? even if a person thinks that there IS good in that there is NOT that cant be argued with. YOU CANT ARGUE WITH THE FACT THAT RACISM IS WRONG simple as that!
so for people to preach racism no matter how large a scale the protest is on it will always be wrong, maybe not in the eyes of a RACIST! but in they eyes of humanity and THE LAW racism is wrong! that is a fact of life.
Religious groups are a group of people who believe in there own lords of worship, again some things like homophobia in religion I do not agree with. However in comparison to race religion is a group of followers race is who you are. you do not choose your race but you can choose your religion therefore religion is a valid form freedom of speach race is not, people have the right to choose a religion and can be converted, there is logic behind people preaching religion because any person can be converted, it includes a nation and a lot of the time promotes unity,(as I say not all of the time),a lot of religious groups (not all) but a lot do positive things because they choose religion as a way to live a better life and not about inferiority as you suggest I must add that I am not religious.and not here to defend religion!
The KKK may do more than just hate black people but the core of their embassy and everything it stands for is WHITE POWER! enough said!
And im not saying that people dont have a right to have their own opinions but as for rallying and recruiting people into these societys I do not think that they should be alloud im sorry but I believe would should be moving forward not backwards into a world of segrigation
And I live in the uk where racism IS an offence if you call someone a racist name you can be prosicuted so thats just a difference our law systems
Answer me this please?
if a group of followers of the nation of islam where marching down your street claiming that the arab world are the greatest nation and white people are benieth them, and saying that they had every right to blow up the twin towers and the pentagon and where trying to recruit more people to join them would that be freedom of speach too?or a cover up for a gang of terrorists? would you be sitting there saying "those people are just expressing their right to freedom of speach"??? Do you think that should be aloud?
I think freedom of speach is great but we have to draw a line, I know is a bit exteme but if a murderer was preaching that they should have the right to kill or peadophiles where preaching that they should have the right to molester little kids would that be acceptable? Would that be covered up by freedom of speach? who are we to say its wrong??? I think people should have their own views but as for rallying and protesting I dont think just any old tom dick or harry should be alloud to inflict people with their way of thinking especially groups like the KKK.
niecey738 I never said I can't handle it. Haven't you ever heard of a healthy debate my dear. There is nothing wrong with arguing your point, or me arguing mine. It's simple fun and difference of opinions. I never said I was bothered by it. Dont feel that special.
Also, sorry I misread what you said. Still though, at the rally's near my house the KKK members DO NOT scream or shout anything at anyone. It's simply a rally to make money and get new members to join. Have you ever actually seen a modern day KKK rally? I doubt it. I'm sure your just going out off the things you've seen on tv.
"if a group of followers of the nation of islam where marching down your street claiming that the arab world are the greatest nation and white people are benieth them, and saying that they had every right to blow up the twin towers and the pentagon and where trying to recruit more people to join them would that be freedom of speach too?or a cover up for a gang of terrorists? would you be sitting there saying "those people are just expressing their right to freedom of speach"??? Do you think that should be aloud?"
This is where our difference of opinions comes in again. If they are AMERICAN citizans, I wouldn't care. People can say what they want, I wouldn't even turn my head to look at them. Although, in that case, it's America, and the cops would have a field day on them and arrest them.
"someone trampling through your front garden shouting abuse"
I've already stated that they DO NOT go around screaming words of hate at people, nor do they go in anyone's yards. It is a peaceful rally, they dont start any fights, or cause any harm to ANYONE.
"I too am a believer in freedom of speach and think that you should be aloud to voice your opinion as long as your opinion is valid and not that "WE ARE THE BEST" which is essentially what the kkk are all about"
That's the same thing religious groups do though. What about Johavah's Witnesses that go door to door and try and educate you on their religion and convert you to be what they are? What about religous groups that have rallies, they think they are the best religion, they think they are better than the other ones. The KKK has more do with than just race. It's not just oh we hate black people, that's why were in the KKK.
"So no I do not agree that the KKK should be aloud to march and protest their oppinions because they are not valid or positive to ANYONE in anyway shape or form" That is in YOUR opinion though. That's why they have to have a thing called FREE SPEACH. Everyone has a different opinion on what would benefit society. In these people's eyes they truly believe that what they are doing will benefit society. So what if they are wrong, that's not your place to say so. It's a difference of opinions.
"I believe in feedom of speach when people are protesting againt positive issues and things that will benifit our society" Who are you to say what benefits our society though? What about the "anit-fag" parades they hold, those people think they are trying to benefit our society. The KKK in their minds, think they are trying to benefit society. Everyone has different views on how it woudl make the society better, so who are you to decide once and for all what would and wouldn't.
"maybe, but there are laws agains violence, saying it and doing it are the same thing in my eyes. " It doesn't matter, because they are not the same thing in the laws eyes. Also, the rally's near my house to not scream out hate or violence at anyone. They are rally's to make money and to recruit new members.
""freedom of speach" is used as a cover up for what it simply race hate! " The KKK are not the only group of people who have rally's that are "hate" rallies. Think about the anti-gay rallies, or the anti-abortion rallies. These both send out hate messages and voice opinions that not everyone agrees with, yet most people think they are ok.
The right to march? I don't think they have the right to clog up a city street and march. If they want to hold an assembly then they have a right to do so according to our laws. I do not honor their speech. Furthermore, I look at them the same as I do those Islamist that OFTEN do the same thing. They hate Americans yet moved to America - go figure. If you're an American citizen then I think you may bestowed this right. If you're are NOT a Citizen of the USA then you may NOT enjoy the same liberties of Americans. Those should not be allowed to march or hold an assembly. To summarize: the kkk should not be allowed to march yet they should be permitted to hold an assembly. I'd say that of any group that harnesses extreme intent and/or motives to do harm to Americans. While I'm all for American militia groups to form I am against those whose agenda it is to do harm to America IE: Socialist, Dictators, Facists. I'm against those power hungry, selfish elitist from ANY political party. Less government and take back STATES RIGHTS!
Thats exactly my point their views effect american sitizans and even if it was a peaceful protest it woukd be stopped straight away because of the implications and disrespect it has on america, But the KKK do the same thing undermine black people same as "anti fag" rallys They undermine gays. So why should they be aloud. What if these arabs where american citizens with passports and everything? Why should they have their freedom of speach taken away? simply because its offensive? Im not saying im for terrorism ar anything at all but im just saying what make's that not ok but KKK fine and dandy?
I know that the KKK probably do things in a very civil way, the probably have family picnics at the park and give people badges and bumper stickers and encourage white kids to stay in school. Im sure they dont march with pitch forks and tourches with white hoods on anymore but just beacuse its prettified does not make it any better the message that the portrey is negative.
NO I DONT because thats not a valid oppinion in my eyes its not trying to solve any particular issue or voice a valid oppinion its simply claiming that one race is better than another which we as human beings living in the 21st century know it not the case. I said its like preaching the world is flat its makes no sense because we as a society know better. I believe in feedom of speach when people are protesting againt positive issues and things that will benifit our society or even just an strong oppinion about a subject that is feasable, but preaching racism is preaching hate which in turn is preaching violence and ignorance and the fact that these people are looking for recruits is frigtening. Call that freedom of speach?? maybe, but there are laws agains violence, saying it and doing it are the same thing in my eyes. I cant believe that in 2008 this is even an issue and the term "freedom of speach" is used as a cover up for what it simply race hate!
See the thing is, yes it hurts people to hear the racism, but once you stop one set of people from saying something, what's to stop "them" (whomever them is) from stopping the next set? Coming from a country where freedom of speech is not entirely existent (and btw, the president calls homosexuality "disorientation and a decadent culture, which was being passed by Western nations" therefore saying homosexuality is perfectly natural wouldnt be allowed) let me say that I may detest what people say, but atleast they have the right to say it... People who stand up for the rights of others are tortured and imprisoned where I grew up, lesbians have been arrested, tortured and molested... Be thankful you have the right to say what you want without governmental interferrance, because under the Bush administration, which is anti gay, and for the religious right, imagine what you wouldnt have been able to say...
no just because some christains have marched with "god hates fags" banners doesnt mean its not wrong in my opinion, thiose opinions are better left unsaid because telling people that there sexuality is wrong, its horribly wrong as is being racist really, black people were pretty much the first people here they needed that pigment to survive in the harsh and hot enviroment and telling or trying to convince other people that your race is the only race that matters, is also horribly wrong its better to keep those kind of opinions to yourself or if there looking for followers, make it discreet people cant just be marching down the street accusing everyone of sinning or convincing everyone white people are more important than black people were all human, we all bleed...we are all the same so in my opinion, no
And I say, this is what's wrong with America today.
It's easy for us to look the other way when our fellow man is being persecuted and we fall back on all our "freedoms" to justify it, but when a group of people decides to torment us, we cry out for someone to stand up for our own rights.
It's always about us - never about others. When will we, as a society, stop looking inward, and start reaching out to those in need? When will we stand against those who persecute and free those who are being persecuted?
When someone has hurt you, will you ask for help, or will you stand back and say 'they have the right to hurt me"? Can you answer that with all honesty?
What kind of demented society do we live in when the law states that we are allowed to demoralize and hurt others?
Something does not jive here.
"YOU CANT ARGUE WITH THE FACT THAT RACISM IS WRONG simple as that!" I'm not trying to. I'm arguing with the fact that they have the right to their opinions and their own beliefs and we have no right to stop them.
"People do not need to shout and scream or be violent dont you get it" Actually yes you do have to scream or shout of harm someone to be violent, simply hurting someone's feelings, is not violence.
"and THE LAW racism is wrong!" Obviously not too wrong, since they are legally allowed to hold their rallies???
"The KKK may do more than just hate black people but the core of their embassy and everything it stands for is WHITE POWER! enough said! " I still say SO WHAT! They still have the right to do so. Freedom of speach is for everyone, not just the people you agree with.
I know this thread is dead, but I'm gonna reply anyway, lol. I am not white or Christian or whatever the KKK identifies themselves as. I don't agree with their views. But as an American, I say they have a right to say what they want to say as long as they don't hurt anyone. It sucks, but they aren't directly infringing on others rights by rallying, so technically, they have a right to exist and speak up. Now, the fact that members are still joining is a testament to how we teach members of our society to think and react. People in the USA have been conditioned to react out of fear and perseverance of archaic ideologies, not necessarily fact or concern for the greater good. Until we manage to address/fix that aspect of our society, we won't see any dwindling in the KKK's numbers.
I didnt' say I agree with them getting their freedom of speach taken away at all. I said that it happens though, because they would be protesting against America. I dont agree with it though. I think EVERYONE should have freedom of speach and freedom of assembly. If it is not violent and they do so peacefully (which they are). Were just going to have to agree to disagree. I think they have the right to rally and speak their opinions, whether or not people agree with them, whether or not they are racist. It doesn't matter to me. I live around these rally's. I see how they work. I know the people in them. I also know people who can't stand them. But I do think that they have a right to continue what they are doing.
KKK is a terrible belief. Nevertheless, everyone has freedom to speech, and the right to believe what they want to believe. I believe KKK shouldnt exist. Every one is free to be predujice,though I dont condon it, but the moment that we discriminate is when we're in the wrong. the only problem I see is the simple fact that the KKK isnt just going to sit around and complain about whatever they hate, eventually their hatred is going to take action. No one really knows the under cover work of these racsit people. They could discriminate on a daily basis for all we know. so if you ask me, no; that shouldnt be allowed and they should have no rights to rally. it's sending out a message to all generations.
I know its extreme but your saying everyone has the right to freedom of speach, aslong as they are not effecting others these people could be rallying for these things to be legalised but not actually comiting the offenses, its a made up scenario obviously we dont have these rallys, but my point is not every1 should be aloud to rally and protest and recruit. OR what is simply these people excorcising their right to FREEDOM OF SPEACH, their aim is promote something that is negative as its the aims of the "anit fag" protesters the KKK and a terorist group. My point is i8 do not believe that people should be alout to protest and rally and recruit for things that are negative and inflict badness on our society!
No it doesn't bother me at all. I believe in freedom of speech completely. Just because you dont agree with what they are saying, does not mean they dont have the right to say it. That's like saying, Knowing that people are down the street praying to God and believing in the bible disturbs me, so I think they shouldn't be allowed to do it. You can censor everything that bothers people, we would be left with NOTHING. Everything is offensive to somebody, EVERYTHING. I never said that I could say what would benefit our society, that was my whole point. No one person can say what would benefit society, because that is just YOUR opinion and everyone's if different.
I agree with TY's statement. there are a lot of "beliefs" that I personally do not believe in or subscribe to, but as an american I (we) have to have tolerance of these different beliefs and allow people to do what they need to do as long as it isn't premeditation to commit crimes against different groups. our servicemen and servicewomen have died fighting to protect our "freedoms" and it would be a blight on their honorable memories to "change" course and start deciding what beliefs are ok, and which ones are not- because once it starts- your personal belief will eventually be slated to be eradicated, and labeled as bad.
All groups should have equil rights I believe the kkk should have equil rights. I disagree with banning freedom of assembly from groups a majority out number or have a disagreement with Response to the other comments of commentors I think that people should be able to speak there minds already clearly calling something a hate message is being use to censor opposition groups. There is a thing called morality and some believe certain things immoral so no it aint hate but again thats up to peoples opinions I do think promoting tolerance of different views no matter how irrational or mad they make people feel.
allowing KKK rallys to happen is not supporting them, thats idiotic. This is America, the greatest country in the world, you can say whatever you want here and that is your legal right. It would be stupid to say these people don't have the right to rally for what they believe in. I don't agree with their views at all. but I support their right to say whatever they want.
if we tell the KKK they don't have the right to say what they want then how long is it going to be before someone comes along and tells you that you can't do something or say something?
Considering the subject they rally for, I think it's in the public's best interest that these types of demonstrations not be permitted.
I'm all for peaceful protestation and rallying for good cause, but when the cause impedes upon the rights and freedoms of other individuals, there must be a line drawn.
Allowing the KKK to continue with their rallies is just another way of saying "We support you". So do you? Do you support what the KKK stands for?
I think the kkk is bs people need to stop being so judgemental and take a look in the mirror at their own refelctions, everyone is equal the kkk are biggots its not voicing your oppinion because that type of opinion is invald its racism and prejudice we should be past that its the 21st century and if foolish people are still aloud to pass stupid judgement we might aswell be preaching that the world is flat
Your kidding me right. A muderer would be rallying people to KILL them, a rapist would be rallying people to RAPE people, a pedophile would be ralling people to RAPE LITTLE KIDS. All those things are illegal!!! So of course not. Being a racist, is not illegal. It's an opinion. Serioulsy, how is that even an argument. Where is the last rapist and murderer rally you have seen?
I dont neccasarily agree with what they stand for, but I do agree with they have the right to stand for it. I dont agree with the Christians having their "anit-fag" parades, or the "anit-abortion" protest, but I do agree that everyone has the right to stand up for what they believe in. Just because I dont agree with them, doesn't mean I want their rights taken away.
If they were causing physical harm to a person, then yes, they should be banned. It is a rally though, while it may offend people, I still dont think that is enough reason to discontinue something. Seriously, what would happen if we got rid of everything that ever offended anybody or any group of people, we would be left with nothing.
You have the right to say what you want, or so they say until its something the government doesnt want to hear. Same as people who are around on a daily bases. If no physical harm is coming to anyone, or mental abuse ither, there is nothing all too wrong with it. But if things get out of hand, thats where it becomes wrong.
Who are you to say what benefits our society though?
It's OBVIOUS what WOULD benefit our SOCIETY.
That doesn't disturb you in the least bit, that there are people who are having meetings about how much they hate a race right down your street?
Something doesn't sound right...
No, the KKK should NOT be allowed to continue their rallies. Not at all. Especially because what has happened in the past. I don't think some people understand how much it hurts other people to even see things like that. This shouldn't even have to be considered, sorry to say.
so does that include murderers and peadophiles and rapists they should be aloud to rally for what they believe in and recruit people, aslong as they are not actually comiting any crime, we should not be aloud to take away their FREEDOM OF SPEACH, is that right?
niecey738 I didn't ask if you think their organization is foolish, I asked should they be allowed to continue their rallies? We do have freedom of speech for a reason. You dont have to like their views, but does that men they dont have the right to say them?
Voltaire said something like 'I may detest what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it "... freedom of speech cant have limits or it isnt freedom of speech... as long as it is not causing harm...
As long as they are not calling for anyone to harm anyone else, or use intimidation to imply harm even might be done, then they have every right to assemble. Regardless of how abominable their message is.
They have the right to assemble and the right to free speech just like everyone else.
I don't agree with it, but that doesn't mean they should have their constitutional rights taken away.
I said people do not need to shout and scream OR be violent!
Listen im just giving my oppinion the same as you are if you cant handle that then oh well x
that's what is great about America we have a constitution that protects minority groups from persecution no matter how unpopular their views might be.
Heck man they shouldn't be allowed. Their trying to kill people!!! omg their just stupid and whoever is involved with them are pretty stupid too.
I dont agree with rasists but they have the right to feel and think what they like , freedom of speech and all that
They should be able to rally, if skinheads dont have freedom of speech and the freedom to asemble, noone should!
leave it to someone who's from a country with anti-hate speech laws to think freedom of speech is a bad idea.
No sense in arguing anymore, we've both said all we can pretty much say.
I'll agree to disagree.
I can say more cause its an issue I strongly agree with, But I think I've proved my point x
F**K the KKK heck naw they should not be allowed. that's stoopid..
Simple as that. I agree with Ichi
Exactly my point.