Should Hillary quit for the sake of party unity / benefit ?
Honestly Butterfly, this discussion to me is all about the numbers, and not my leanings towards one candidate or the other. We voted on super tues in NY, and I literally walked in to the polling booth not sure of who to vote for. I like them both. The main issues I have with Hillary is her behavior lately, and her willingness to throw Obama (the front runner) under the bus.
The number of delegates they each have varies on different sites because some of the states have not completely settled their allocations, so they estimate them, or just leave them out. CNN has it 1413-1242, Real Clear Politics has it 1414-1247, Wikipedia has 1414-1252.5, and Yahoo had your numbers. And there are only 566 delegates left in the remaining primaries. Even using the Wikipedia count, the one that gives hilary the most, she would have to win the remaining races by an average of 65% to 35% to overtake his pledged delegate lead. It is statistically impossible for her to win the remaining races by 30 percentage points. Even if you add in a revote of FL & MI (unlikely to happen though), she would need to win the reaiming races by a margin of 60-40. That is just not going to happen. These are the facts, and the numbers don't lie. It is not something that the mainstream media is reporting.
We need to end this real soon, or we will never defeat Bomb-bomb McCain in November.
That means she asking the Dem leaders to overturn the will of the voters and nominate her over the first real viable black candidate we have ever had. Can't you understand what that will do to the party?
Do you understand that women did not have the right to vote until 1920? For a woman to even be running in a mans race and go this far is phenominal. We've come along way baby.
To answer your question...yes I do know what it is doing to this party. It is saying that you can run for president whether you are black, white, purple, male, or female. This is an historical race. Would you want to be known as a quitter? or would you take it all the way?
Whether it be Mr. Obama or Mrs. Clinton that runs against Mr. McCain history is in the making. This is not like any other race. They have both had things going against them from the start. Now let them finish.
At some point in your life jamahl you are going to have to agree to disagree with someone. Not everyone is right all the time, we all make mistakes. We also all have the right to our own opinion. I realise I am a very strong willed woman. I just think trying to make me sound as though I am ignorant does you no justice in making your point.
jimahl...What I mean by close is last I heard there were like 589 pledged delegates left. Obama has 1,406 Clinton has 1,249. Now the margin there is thin compared to the pledged delegates that are left. Maybe I am wrong. I don't know. No neither one can take the win. It will be left to supers (yes I know how you feel about that). Yet what I was saying is that is a very close margin. To say she completely lost is not true in my eyes. I right now can not say I am for either Mr. Obama or Mrs. Clinton. I did make my vote. Yet I wish my state had not been so early on in the race to do the voting. There are a lot of issues that have arised that make me think if I actually voted true for myself and my country. a lot of people I have spoken with feel the same. I'm not one to just jump on a bandwagon. So for the presidential election I will be more prepared.
I am aware of how the south was. They were also and still are like that in some ways when it comes to women also. I do not see it so much here in SC. I see it more in the states between Texas and Florida. I understand your frustration. We all have our own opinions. Yet I know there are more sides to it all then my own.
First off, I really don't see where I made you sound like you were ignorant. If I did, I appologize.
I understand all about womens sufferage, and I am a feminist. Do you realize that although blacks technically got to vote with the 15th ammendment, they were physically prevented from voting in the south until the civil rights movement, and the voting rights act of 65. Comparing which group has been more persecuted adds nothing to the discussion. If their roles were reversed and Obama couldn't win without superdelegates oveturning the popular vote, I would want him to quit for the good of the party.
I have nothing against Hillary as a woman. I have a problem with her loyalty to the democratic party. And you can't be a quitter when you have already lost.
When I hear people say this race is close, or the margin is thin, I am going to point out that that is not true. That is not an opinion, that is a fact. He has already won the primary and caucus race. She cannot catch him. That is not a close race. The second part of this is the superdelegates, and you know how I feel about that.
My personal view on this is...This is not your typical primary. Two states are not being counted from the get go. They are so close why should she drop out? I do not believe it is hurting the democratic party at all. If anything is hurting it...the fact that Florida and Michigan didn't follow plan and voted early and can't have a revote... is. I think there is to much media hoopla trying to feed Hillary needs to quit into our minds. The majority of Dem. are going to vote Dem. anyway. On either side if they feel so strongly about one candidate that should have won they will probably just not vote in the election at all. To make it sound like Hillary is running a loosing battle is far from the truth. The margin is so fine.
It is not close at all. The margin is insurmountable. She has no way of catching him in pledged delegates. That means she asking the Dem leaders to overturn the will of the voters and nominate her over the first real viable black candidate we have ever had. Can't you understand what that will do to the party?
How can you say it is not hurting the party? The longer this goes on, and McCain is just skating along, with no one barely responding to him.
Florida and Michigan were handled terribly, but even if they revoted, it would change the fact that she can't overtake him in pledged delegates.
Pelosi got a letter today: 20 of Clinton's top fund-raisers issued a veiled threat to Pelosi and warned her to change her tune. "We have been strong supporters of the [Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee]," they wrote, referring to the House fund-raising arm overseen by Pelosi. "We therefore urge you to clarify your position on superdelegates and reflect in your comments a more open view."
Sources said Pelosi was infuriated by the implied threat the donors would quit giving cash to the committee.
hillary had more of a chance at being pres than obama...she has more experience and she knows what she is talking about, she gives detailed description on what her answers are...obama has short and simple answers and they are the same ones over and over. VOTE HILLARY!!!
4/11/08: Bill Clinton today speaking of Hillary's Bosnia blunder, 'claimed she was experiencing end-of-day fatigue' - in effect, an emergency that requires a 'Presidential decision', cannot take place at 11pm, but may take place at 3am.
No Hillary should not quit. Her and Obama and there cut throat tactics will make sure Republicans win the election anyway. Keep up the good job you make it easier for republicans.
Air America radio host Randi Rhodes on Hillary: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfdhWi5MILo&eurl=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/03/air-america-host-randi-rh_n_94863.html
I think we need a women prez but I don't think hiliary should be our prez and besides the race istn even close
yeah I think because hillary is bad news I don't think she would be good as president yeah
yes (I didnt think anything could do it, but she may lose the elections for the democrats)