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I dont want to sound disrespectful to people who lost family or friends in the 9/11 crashes but why didnt the people rise up against the terrorist they only had boxcutters and a low number of them and then the flight attendent could fly to safety. sorry if I sound disrespectful
I am not sure there were any people aboard the doomed flights on 9/11.
Why would I suggest this... or why would it have been necessary in order to pull the false flag off?
This isn't the basis behind the conspiracies surrounding that fateful day... and the planes could have found their targets while boarded... however this would have added a complication to the logistics of the false flag operation... passengers may not have behaved as planned on and disrupted the entire plot... eg the bombs in the twin towers awaiting impact would have looked pretty silly exploding and demolishing the buildings without a catalyst...[but don't tell that to WTC7]
Any evidence that the planes may not have been boarded?
Circumstantial mostly... but the evidence should not be discarded:
First there is the blueprint for the attacks... which seems to be the rejected proposal of a covert operation to instigate a war with Cuba during the Kennedy administration... Operation Northwoods. Proposed by Admiral Limnitzer the scheme in part reads:
***Hijacking attempts against civil air and surface craft should appear to continue as harassing measures condoned by the government of Cuba. Concurrently, genuine defections of Cuban civil and military air and surface craft should be encouraged.
It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight.
a. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.
b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will being transmitting on the international distress frequency a "MAY DAY" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal.***
This memo sets the precedent that our military had devised false flag plans on the order of 9/11 and such plans included substituting a manned jet by an unmanned [Drone] What would have been the fate of the original passengers?... The memo doesn't offer but we can assume they would have been executed and their bodies disposed of so that the operation stay concealed.
There is no credible evidence a plane the size of AA Flight 77 hit the pentagon.
Although the FBI claimed 183[allowing for 5 bodies to be hijackers... though this means that 188 not the official 189 passengers were accounted for] bodies had been identified by DNA... It was the responsibility of the chief medical examiner for the commonwealth of Virginia... Dr. Fierro to autopsy the bodies... but Dr. Fierro was not allowed to... instead the FBI handled the remains.
It didn't look as if a plane the size of Flight 77 hit the pentagon.
CNN Reporter Jamie Mcintyre made this statement moments following the alleged impact:
From my close-up inspection... there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon... There are no large tail sections... wing sections... fuselage... nothing like that anywhere around.
The ground was unscathed... large spools of cable where the wings should have been remained unscarred. Victims such as April Gallop reported seeing no plane debris while exiting the crash site. The impact crater on the facade of the building wasn't large enough to accomodate a plane the size of Flight 77... a Boeing 757. Hani Hanjour the supposed pilot of Flight 77 failed his flight schools... but was apparently able to perform a 330 degree spiral while descending 5000 feet and impacting the pentagon perfectly without even upsetting the lawn... while most lifelong pilots would have found the trajectory nigh impossible. The Pentagon is protected on all sides by anti-aircraft missiles... why were these not utilized?
The most telling evidence of a plane not hitting the Pentagon is the lack of video evidence. FBI confiscated 87 surveillance tapes from surrounding stores immediately after the impact. None have been released that show a plane hitting the pentagon. Did the FBI confiscate the videos in order to verify which plane hit the pentagon... or to cover up what actually did hit the pentagon... perhaps a cruise missile which has been suggested?
What credible evidence is there that a fully boarded UA Flight 93 crashed in Shanksville PA?
Phone calls from the passengers? Cell phones were just not able to connect from such high altitudes and high speeds. Any cellular call would have proven improbable... and 9 [nine] statisically impossible to have occurred... but this is what is claimed by officials from those aboard Flight 93.
A.K. Dewdney a contributor to Scientific American magazine concluded:
the chance of a typical cell phone making it to ground and engaging a cellsite there is less than one in a hundred...The probability that two callers will succeed is less than one in ten-thousand
Nine connected callers would have been virtually impossible.
Wreckage?
Scattered remains of something.. a smoldering crater filled with virtually nothing... and eyewitness testimonies of not much there that would have made them assume a plane crashed... if they hadn't been told so.
There was just a big hole in the ground. All I saw was a crater filled with small charred plane parts. Nothing that would even tell you that it was a plane... You just can't believe a whole plane went into this crater... There were no suitcases... no recognizable plane parts... no body parts.
Jon Meyer... Local television reporter.
We were looking around and wondered where the airplane was... There was no plane to be found... just spray cap size parts everywhere. Almost nothing was recognizable. The only thing we saw that was remotely human was half a shoe that was probably ten feet from the impact area
Jeff Phillips... Eyewitness
My first thought at the site was... *Where is the plane crash?... I was amazed because it did not in any way... shape... or form look like a plane crash***
Pat Madigan... Pennsylvania State Police
Coroner Wally Miller admitted
I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there
Who would/could have made the calls if they weren't made from the flight?
The technology for voice emulators was established by 2001. Intelligence or military persons could have reproduced reasonable facsimiles of the voices on board in order to spin a narrative of false events. Family members that noticed peculiarities with their loved ones conversations wrote it off to the dire situation those family members were encountering.
Mark Bingham... one alleged airphone user was never listed on the flight list for UA 93 Perhaps the passengers were coerced into making the calls themselves... but as the Operation Northwoods suggests... from inside a military base where they were being held.
Why would the story of flight 93 be concocted?
Two reasons.
To validate the official story of the hijackings... the one lone corroboration from victims themselves
To inspire the rest of us to resist the enemy as named by our government. In the book 1984 Orwell details how it is necessary for false stories of inspiration be thought up and given to the populace of Oceania in order for them to direct all of their ire on a phantom menace and not into the government fealty they were living under.
A sidenote... the comptroller of the Pentagon at the time of the attacks... Dov Zakheim... who oversaw the misplacement of $2.6 Trillion... that is Trillion with a [T]
and made the announcement just prior to the events of 9/11... is also an owner in a company that builds drone aircraft... Raytheon SYSPLAN (FTS) technology used to guide planes to their targets.
As I stated in the opening paragraph... the presence of passengers on board the flights is contentious... even amongst those of us who believe the events of 9/11 were staged by our own government. Hopefully any discrepancies will be evaluated instead of scoffed at because if we do live in a society where our government considers us as expendable since the ends justify the means... it is in all of our best interests to verify the veracity or lack thereof in what I have said here.
You do not sound disrespectful, but you do sound uninformed...
The passengers and crew DID react and try to subdue the hijackers on Flight 93... On United Airlines Flight 93, black box recordings revealed that crew and passengers attempted to seize control of the plane from the hijackers after learning through phone calls that similarly hijacked planes had been crashed into buildings that morning. According to the transcript of Flight 93's recorder, one of the hijackers gave the order to roll the plane once it became evident that they would lose control of the plane to the passengers. Soon afterward, the aircraft crashed into a field near Shanksville in Stonycreek Township, Somerset County, Pennsylvania, at 10:03:11 a.m. local time (14:03:11 UTC). Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, organiser of the attacks, mentioned in a 2002 interview with Yosri Fouda, an al Jazeera journalist, that Flight 93's target was the United States Capitol, which was given the code name "the Faculty of Law".
the reasons for the first 2 planes could be a lot of things- if they were told there was a BOMB present on the plane, and any resistance would lead to the terrorists setting it off- most people would comply. plus no one truly would have known what was happening- the terrorists would have been most likely telling the passengers they were just simply diverting the plane to another location to make a political statement, and that everyone aboard would be fine when it was over. terrorists are not above lieing to keep everyone calm and submissive. there was a flight that did rise up and subdue the terrorists, they may have heard reports of the other hijackings over their cellphones or some other way and made the decision to jump the terrorists- some of the people on that flight were communicating with loved ones on the ground.
Most likely it was because they were afraid...Why wouldn't they be..? They are up against these guys that intended to kill them if they tried anything. Since you weren't there you can't really know what it is like...You can try but imagining it is different then actually being there.
I mean I feel like I would stand up and fight even though I might die...But if it helps or saves someone why not? But like I said who knows what I would actually do in that situation. =P
Unfortunately, we'll never know why they were overpowered by so few people, why nobody screamed, etc...or perhaps they did, or perhaps the pilots were taken out first, which then meant that the terrorists were the only ones who could fly, and the people on the plane didn't realize the terrorists all meant to die in the plane crash.
More than likely, that's the case...eg, that the pilots were taken out first.
They had no idea what was going to happen? In most hostage scenarios the hostage takers are not suicidal... They are not likely to fly things into buildings... No one told the people on the plane they were going to die either way... It's easy to think in hindsight, but in most hostage situations you are advised not to try using force...
I think they did try to overthrow the terrorists, not sure. I really recommend you watch a movie called "United 93". It's a really good movie I'd tell you what it's about but I dont want to ruin it. Buy the movie and on the bonus features it has interviews of the familys who lost a loved one on the flight.
Prior to 9/11, hijackers redirected planes rather than crashing them into buildings. The passengers simply didn't know what was going to happen, and could not have expected they were going to die.
I think that the plane was supposed to be headed for the white house but the passengers were able to overthrow them and managed to steer it away.
