Do you think the saying 'God Bless America" should be changed to 'God D_mn America' ?
first - the rev. wright did not say "God-Damn America" he said "God damn America" and he is correct. God should damn America. We have behaved deplorably towards other nations and our own citizens.
second - you are taking these words out of context. your judgment is based on a snippet of a sermon.
third - it is obvious from your question that you do not have any idea what black liberation theology is or of it's foundation. Black liberation theology is theology from the perspective of the African diaspora. The message of black theology is that the African American struggle for liberation is consistent with the gospel--every theological statement must be consistent with, and perpetuate, the goals of liberation. This theology maintains that African Americans must be liberated from multiple forms of bondage—social, political, economic and religious. This liberation involves empowerment and seeks the right of self-definition, self-affirmation and self-determination.
fourth - taken within the complete context of his sermons, there is NOTHING that the rev. wright has said that is ANY worse than what rev. falwell or pat robertson stated after sept. 11.
I refresh your memory
"I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.'" Fellow evangelist Pat Robertson concurred with his sentiment.
yes. I totally agree with you. I tried making the distinction to amblessed...
"first - the rev. wright did not say 'God-Damn America' he said 'God damn America' and he is correct. God should damn America. We have behaved deplorably towards other nations and our own citizens."
I carefully listened to the entire sermon so that I wouldn't judge based on a snippet and it was very clear what rev. wright was saying.
I also tried to enlighten amblessed regarding black liberation theology. that did not sink in either.
and to justsearching...was God blessing the egyptians with the ten plagues?
(Exodus 7:14-25) rivers and other water sources turned to blood killing all fish and other water life.
(Exodus 7:26-8:11) amphibians (commonly believed to be frogs)
(Exodus 8:12-15) lice or gnats
(Exodus 8:16-28) flies or beasts
(Exodus 9:1-7) disease on livestock
(Exodus 9:8-12) unhealable boils
(Exodus 9:-35) hail mixed with fire
(Exodus 10:1-20) locusts
(Exodus 10:21-29) darkness
(Exodus 11:1-12:36) death of the first-born of all Egyptian families.
sorry, justsearching, your God seems very capable of "damning"
I recognize that you are referring to the "God Damn" America in the same sense as the word "g*ddamn" which almost everyone considers a cuss word. I expect you consider this to be profanity, am I right?
I'm just curious because it seems to me that the phrase "God Damn America" is a kind of imprecatory prayer - it calls down God's curse upon America. I don't really see this as falling under the banner of the command in Exodus. I see not taking the Lord's name in vain as meaning not to use it lightly or to swear by his name without great care. As we know, a vow taken in God's name was serious business and could result in the death of one who failed to do as he had sworn.
Does anyone else see this distinction? Is there a difference between calling down a curse and using the Lord's name in vain here?
those two words should never be said together. How does that man get that America is damned anyway? We have our issues our crime our diseases but we are also a country filled with freedom and liberties like no other. Thats why we have an imigration problem. They would rather be here than there ya know. I just dont get how so many people think they are owed something for being here. Nobody is owed anything regardless of how they got here. They are lucky to be here. Everyone could be in far worse places than America. Take Iraq for example. Look at the little things they get killed for. God has Blessed America
Of course you completely disregard this man's life experience, and that maybe his anger is understandable. Unless you are a black person, you cannot begin to imagine what his perceptions of this country might be. I am not black, but I have seen and heard enough racist comments in my life, that I can believe it has to be very difficult not to lash out in anger. I praise Obama for his eloquence and his ability to reject that anger.
His damning as you put it is called justice, but obviously you don't understand that His ways are not our ways, nor ours His. If you will read those passages fully you will find he brought those plaques because Pharo would not let His people go. Sometimes you have to do what is necessary to get the results that you need. Anytime you use the Bible to quote something you need to take it in context.
Thanks for your input - if anyone says "God-D_mn anything" they are clearly Damning (cursing) God's name - He says:
Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
How about if we changed our national motto from the exclusive "In God We Trust" to the inclusive "E Pluribus Unum"
"E Pluribus Unum" in fact was our national motto until 1956 when congress changed it.
I've seen my favorite variation of our national motto on several cash registers, "In God We trust, all others must pay cash."
"His damning as you put it is called justice"
exactly the point I was trying to make.
maybe he needs to send a little "justice" our way because of america's behavior. just as he sent a little "justice" to egypt and the pharaoh because of their behavior.
I believe that is the meaning behind "God damn America"
I like that editor...
He certainly has damned us to years of financial woes, and he has damned the Iraqis, with his war of choice, to death and destruction. Not to mention how he damned almost 4000 of our brave soldiers to their death for nothing but lies and greed.
Please look again - it was a question, not a comment - I'm not angry at all but I do know God will judge these comments made by a minister in the pulpit no less, whether it meets the criteria of the unforgivable sin of 'Blasphemy' - I don't know.
you are correct filetofspam. It was also at that time that they added the "under god" in the pledge. This was during the fanatical anti-communist movement and was meant as poke in the eye of secularism.
We should revoke both of them
Why would I care about a mythical being? The post wasn't about a god. It was about understanding the anger of a black man in this country. Are you able to have any discussion without bringing your belief in the supernatural into it?
Yes, I think both are silly things to say too. But maybe "Bush damned America" would be more accurate. We went from a surplus and relative peace to a nauseating deficit and we've killed a billion people in the process. Ugh.
ameoba, excellent post, I agree whole heartedly.
But amblessed is incapable of reason. His only recourse in any discussion, be it religion of politics, is religious dogma.
Me thinks he is not to bright.
well no because god could never damn america im sure withthe way everything is going in the world today wouldnt suprise me if he did think about it.:) God isnt mad at the whole world just things people do.
when you reduce every discussion to religious dogma, one begins to wonder. I respect his belief but his rhetoric does appear to have become a substitute for factual, intelligent discussion.
I don't think it matters because people don't generally mean it when they say it and if God is real, I doubt He cares for such "vain and repetitious" blathering.
All I know is, saying "God-D_mn" anything, is not pleasing to God - you may not care, fine - I care and am praying for him and all on this site...Take care !!
I know amblessed personally and I'm sure his educational background and accomplishments are far greater than most of you who are answering this question
no it is taking God's name in vain. Anytime you place damn after God's name it is taking it in vain. God's nature is not to damn things but to bless.
Me thinks you might be very surprised at amblessed educational background and accomplishments - Happy Easter !!
God doesn't do the damning, people damn themselves.
Misfortune? Well, that something else.
I am surprised "amblessed" that you would come up with such a comment. Are you angry?
lol thats kinda funny... ummm no I don't think they would ever change it to that!!!
I think you should take god out of the saying completely! God isent patriotic xD.
It makes no difference to me. Both are pretty silly things to say.
I think your name should be changed to Loser, how about that?
Ahahahahaha. Yes. Absulutly.
LoL yeah what she said
me thinks not.