Is being a hermaphrodite considered a sin?

God is perfect, and no one was born gay it’s proven that people turn gay because of lack of authority from the same gender or abuse from the same gender. God however made people with both reproductive organs because that’s what he did. You can question it, but I believe that that person will know in their heart what they truly are, gay or not gay they will know.

levzeroni: If you’re so smart, ACT NOW!

Go out into the world, get a high paying corporate job where you can show off your mad intelligence, pay your own bills, etc. I mean, you clearly know everything, what’s holding you back?

I think most of us could read a novel a day or whatever- if we still had the indulgence of being a child, and not having to hold down full time jobs, spend time with our kids (if we have them), maintain a household, etc. But you’re so smart, you already do all that, right?

Reality check at table one here sweetheart, but you’re sounding like a 3 year old I look after- one that constantly says “Look at me! Look at me!” Stop trying to back up what you’re saying with unsubstantiated babble about how smart you are. Until I see your mensa acceptance and your degree in astro-physics at the tender age of 16, you’re just a narcissistic little child.

“No the power of prayer is universal arachnid.”

Saying it’s true doesn’t make it so. There’s no evidence whatsoever that prayer has any effectiveness at all.

Mandyloo I feel that what has been said has gone over your head. And thats why you dont get it if it didnt you might understand that God didnt do it to us we did it to ourselves. Arachnid, many people including me have been healed by faith. Many doctors have even witnessed it. so you not believing doesnt change the fact that it happened.

sorry, I didn’t read the last part, but If they knew what they were it wouldn’t be considered homosexual activity. unless of course they wanted to be gay.

and all of it doesn’t point to yes. YOU can’t just decide it like that either just like apparently according to you I can’t God did not let people be born homosexual. He of course has said that the child carries the sin of their parents until they have asked for forgiveness. No one is perfect. Even the Christian sins, but they ask for forgiveness when they have known they sinned. the fool says in their heart there is no god.

oh naynay. you see I knew a good 40 gays. I love them to death but not what they do, I despise it, it makes me sick to think about, but you see, they all gave me the same conclussion when they told me why they are gay, not because they had always liked the same gender, but because they were abused or neglectid by the same gender. neither was it from society that they thought they liked the oppposite, but because of what happened to them psychology terms. my cousin who is extremely smart, is a psychologist and helps with the mental and other people. he also told me that that’s why people are gay. and I would be some fool to think he was wrong on that one, especially when he spent 2 years on the study of it.

So… sick people are sick because Eve ate an apple. But sicker people aren’t more sick because they sin more? Glad you at least don’t subscribe to the ‘blame the victim’ philosophy, though your earlier posts certainly gave that impression.

And what would this “gift of healing” be?

arachnid seriously though please don’t chop my words up. I said its because of sin not because of the person born that way. We are born into sin because of Adam and Eve. I also said God does not create people that way its because of sin. So before you tag names to my belief get a grip on what I’m saying.

Alright, whose sin and what sin causes hermaphrodites to be born that way, to use one example you’ve given? What about those with downs’ syndrome, or spina bifida?

lol utopia you make an excellent point, I graduated high school at 16… I know my own IQ isnt at genius level… it’s odd you’re still a freshman at 15… even at a regular pace most kids at 14 when they start high school…

“trust me I know he said”

No.

Show us the proof. You’re claiming he said something totally contrary to everything he’s on record as espousing. Why should we take your word for it?

“I doubt anyone was born with a homosexual proclivity.”

You can doubt it all you like, but there’s plenty of evidence that homosexuality is genetic and developmental. One difference between this and some of your other examples is that we see a lot of homosexuality in the animal kingdom. No mid-life crisis penguins, though.

You have no clue about the real world, because your religion has blinded you.

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theboro That sounds offensive though. Your saying God made them as a joke?

“”you do have a choice to be gay or not,””” NO YOU DONT the best explaination is that christanity is wrong about this but wont admit it

“what do you mean “people are born gay”…that isnt possible.”

I believe people ARE born gay…I can’t begin to count how many gay women and men who have told me they KNEW they were “different” at 7, 8 10 years old…long before hormones and active sexuality kick in…

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levzeroni Where is this proof? Also how is that an argument. You didn’t prove anything. If the person has both reproductive organs, and it has sex with a man or a woman, either way it is having a homosexual relationship. Also, people are born gay. It’s not a choice.

Kent Hovind is a fraud. Watching his vidios you can tell hes bending things to xmeet his wants

as far as that gay thing. If your not gay than how can you know if your born with it? Wouldn’t a homosexual know more about it than a hetrosexual? Stop trying to tell people what they are when you don’t understand them. I rather take the word of 100 homosexuals than a 2000 year old book.

“choice of whether you will give into that desire” That’s what’s so absurd to me. He made a person that he wants to stick down here to be miserable, alone, and unloved. What kind of God is that? Lieing is also a sin, yet that’s what they would be doing to ignore that they are homosexual.

You even said it in your own thing. It doesn’t make since. So wouldn’t you think that maybe the bible isn’t the whole truth of God? Obviously it can’t be. You said that God did not intend for man to be alone. Yet we makes people who are supposed to be asexual.

Sounds a little off to me.

you can’t prove me wrong.

You can’t prove yourself RIGHT either… and I know two people personally, who suffered NO abuse or lack of authority from the same gender in their lives. They both realized they were homosexual just a little while before puberty… the same time when the rest of us heteros realize we are attracted to the opposite sex.

But you’re right, I can’t prove you wro– oh… wait… I just did… So I guess that means God isn’t perfect either… well… not by YOUR definition of the word, anyway.

levzeroni So two people out of billions of homosexual people think they weren’t born that way. Still not enough proof. I know way more than 2 people, I am friends with over 20 homosexual people (I used to work in a gay club), almost all of them “thought” they liked girls at first. That’s because that’s what society teaches us, that girls go with boys and vice versa. As they grow up, they have feelings that are against what society considers is norm, and they still try and hide it so they wont be rejected. They ARE born that way. Also, even if a hermaphrodite knows what they are. Gay or Straight. They would still be participating in homosexual activities, which is considered a sin to christians. Whether you call yourself gay or not, you are having sex with the same sex.

xchurdlex Sorry about the use of the word “it”, I was in a rush and it was rude of me. However though, even if they choose one sex to be with, it would still be homosexuality either way you look at it. Whether they believed themselves to be homosexual would be irrelevant, if they are having homosexual realtions, to christians that is still a sin. Do you see what I’m saying? That’s like saying a man who has sex with men, but who says he is not a homesexual, is not sinning. Which to christian’s is not right. I also don’t understand why God would put someone here and expect them to never be with another human being. To be asexual. That’s absurd to me. Why would God punish someone like that.

ipod_nano It Is possible and it is true. No one just decides to up and be gay. Why would people decide to be something that they are hated for? That they are beaten up for? That they are disriminated against? That they have their rights taken away (such as marriage)? Please tell me how someone decides this. Your ridiculous. You should really do your research, there’s been so many studies done on it, and it’s been proven that people are born gay.

I just want to know what they think on this one. Out of curiousity manily.

I mean man & a man/ woman & woman being together

toadaly Thank you, someone with a brain answered. It seems like they all avoid the questions.

Well,it happens its just what god does =/

levzeroni I think your insane to think that people CHOOSE that lifestyle. You think the choose to be hated? You think they choose to be sinners? You think they choose to be killed because of their sexual orientation? You think they choose have their rights taken away (such as marriage)? You think they choose for society to discriminate against them? That’s absolutly insane. I’m certain that every gay person wishes that they weren’t that way. You can talk to them, they wish they were “normal” as you call it. They don’t want to be hated and beat up because of who they love. I’m not the one deciding the are born this way, research is my dear. There’s tons of it, open your eyes and read about it. That’s your problem, religion has blinded you and you refuse to look at things that go against what you are taught. Also, I hate that quote from the bible. Fools you say. I think it’s absurd for you to call someone a fool because they do not believe in the same things as you do. There are millions of religions out there, millions of gods, how do you know your’s is the right one. Because you were brought up that way, because that’s the way that society is around you. Religion is not about choice, it’s about brainwashing little children to believe in everything they say and not questioning anything.

“but If they knew what they were it wouldn’t be considered homosexual activity”

Also, how can that be true. A penis plus a penis = homosexual avtivity. A vagina plus a vagina = homosexual activity. It doesn’t matter what you think in your head, that is homosexual activity whether you want to believe it or not.

levzeroni You wont explain any furthor because you can’t. Simply saying I know something is true, because I know it, is not proof. If you dont have proof I dont want to hear it. I find it foolish that you deny all of the research that has been done of homosexuality, because it goes against your religion. I’m a very open minded person, if they would have proved that being gay is a choice, I would be fine with that, but they haven’t. They HAVE however, proved that is genetic and people are born that way. You dont know the truth obviously because you are just relying on your faith and not on actual facts. Faith and truth are two compeltely different things, look up the defintions my dear. Also, I never said I wanted to know that my sin is ok. First of all I dont believe in sinning, as I’m not a christian. I dont believe that something that can make a person so happy, so complete, so in love, is wrong. At all. Period. It’s sad that Christians make homosexuals feel like they are less than a person. That they are wrong. That they are disgusting. When in fact, ya’ll are the one’s who are so. How dare you condemn people for being in love and being happy. That’s sick. I’ve said it a million times. Your god kills innocent children. Your God makes people suffer terrible illnesses. Your God condems people for loving. Your God makes you feel ashamed and scared to be who you really are. Your God is vengful and will send you to hell if you make mistakes. With a god like that, I am happy to not be a follower.

If a person was born gay , it would mean that God made them that way . If that were true , it would not be a sin, but a natural thing . The Bible never condemns natural things ! yet, in Lev. 18:22 and 20:13 it is called ‘abomination’,while in Romans 1:24-32 , it is referred to as ‘dishonoring the body’ & ‘vile affection’ ‘against nature’ & ‘ volitional ‘ The Bible never once contradicts itself , nor does God ever practice double standards.

Even thaose people who reject the Bible as God’s word– the evolutonist, for example must face the truth,IFthe theory of evolution was true , being born gay might occur once within a zillion years , But, if it did it would require a mistake in the DNA structure,,, and thw foul-up, simce it works against the very survival of the humanspecies. {Gays do not re-produce… they recuit} That gays would occur in ‘millions ‘ of people by chance in generation after generation is ludicrous as it works against nature. The Gay lifestyle is a matter of choice against both genes and conscience.. and can be stopped by choice as well. DNA structure is absolute . Any errors in its function is man-made when tampering with it .

Homosexuality is NOT the ‘unforgivable sin’ John 3:16 applies to every human being .. and Acts 16:30-32 is clear. ‘ Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved’ when any person is in Christ , he/she is a new creature… former things pass away . The main question as always, is ‘What ye think of Christ ‘

Yes satan does put things out there for you to try to get away from God . You need to pray and ask God to forgive you and to keep him out of your head . all he wants is us to come to him and ask . as a christain God wants us to come to him if you need his protection from the devil he will give it . but you have to stop what you want to get out of to show him you really want him in your life dont make the mistakes over and over .

The cities of Soddom and Gamoria were burn for their sinful, lustful desires to be with those of the SAME sex. Romans chapter 1 verses 18-29 (for those of you who aren’t afraid to pick up a bible) speaks on the subject of homosexuality. Read the KJV may not be clear enough for those of you who wish to fight against the word of God but read the NIV or one of the plain english versions see if you don’t get some understanding of what the Lord thy God says about homosexuality. It is a sin.

Personally, I believe that it is a choice that one makes within themself. I have nothing against them but it does irritate the hell out of me when so-called Christians can’t even find the documentation in the Bible to prove their own side of the story. To many times have homosexuals stated that there is no mention of homosexuality in the Bible when the true fact of the matter is that many so-called Christian don’t know their Bible well enough to quote and explain to them what really is being said. You can’t take one verse of the bible and say that this is what God says because it will likely be taken out of context. That’s why I insist that you read the entire chaper of Romans 1. I would also urge you to read different versions of the bible to see it written different ways. Study that chapter and come to me directly and ask me that question again.

Now don’t think that I’m gay bashing because I’m not. I actually have a lot of gay friends and they know where I stand on the issue. Does that stop them from being a person, no. They are actually cooler to hang out with than many of my straight friends. I don’t force my opinions down their throat and neither do they. But I guarantee you none of them will ever tell you that its not in the Bible. They all can show you what God says about their lifestyle. And none of them were born gay. they all consciencely decided to be gay for one reason or another. The same with their partners.

I think that we simplify too readily. The most important sex organ is the brain. Our sexual roles develop as we do. I doubt anyone was born with a homosexual proclivity. I doubt that homosexuals actively choose that role for themselves. The folly of the western world is its redoubtable attitude towards all things graphed on a pie chart and reduced to its lowest common denominator.

I harbor a number of sexual quirks today that I didn’t years ago. I play a role in society that is in constant flux. I’ve noticed that as my superego adapts… so goes any number of the characteristics influenced by my self image… my libido… sexual stimuli… my sexual role… no exceptions.

Why stop at the homosexual gene?… Let’s find the necrophilia gene… zoophilia gene… corprophilia gene… pedophilia gene… acrotomophilia gene… Let’s find the gene for those people who like to dress up as Ronald Reagan and take an octogenarian lover… the gene for people who only smoke Newport Full Flavor afterwords… Statisticians that marry young… go apeshit… buy their midlife crisis convertible and cruise the boulevards trolling for chicano trannies pre-op but post-hormone therapy… this has to be the result of genetic peculiarity!

“you do have a choice to be gay or not, you do choose it and research, not all research is correct, not all research is the truth, most researchers are probably sinners anyways,””

LMAO! This is one of the funniest things I’ve read to date on this site. Well, despite their heathen ways, I’d say most researchers have done a pretty good job providing you with the modern comforts and conveniences you enjoy every day. Anyway, when you say people have a choice to be gay or not, what are you basing that on? Your own research?

“God doesn make mistakes, we dont live in a perfect world, stuff happens, if we lived in a perfect world,”

If a perfect God did exist, it would not be possible for an imperfect universe to exist. A perfect, all-powerful god would be incapable of creating beings that are themselves capable of imperfection. The idea of a supreme, moral deity is so ridiculous that one wonders how it’s even possible modern people can believe such nonsense…but I’m wandering off topic…

“we’d all have a perfect body b/c of SIN, diseases and deformedity (sorry dont know how to spell it) has come into the world, including people bein born of 2 sexes,”

The view that hermaphrodites are the result of a disease or deformity is based on cultural perception, nothing else. Hermaphrodites are actually admired in some cultures. But, as toadaly pointed out, sexuality is more complicated than just XX and XY chromosomes. It’s a matter of genetic variation. In some species, the reproductive cycle actually depends on hermaphrodites. Obviously, such variations can’t be categorized as “right” or “wrong”. They are what they are, and their interaction with environmental pressures and systems plays a role in determining how often they arise.

God does not want us to be miserable, and you or anyone else are not unloved. he loves you so much he allowed his only begotten son who has never done wrong to die for our sins. In fact he commands that we love one another. His love for us allowed us to receive his goodness, mercy and grace. And most importantly his love for us covers a multitude of sins. God is love. John 10:10 (Amplified Bible) Amplified Bible (AMP) 10The thief comes only in order to steal and kill and destroy. I (Jesus)came that they may have and enjoy life, and have it in abundance (to the full, till it [a]overflows). If you believe that he doesn’t love you, you have been deceived. God did not make anyone asexual. sickness, deformity and the like are bought upon us by sin. Confusion is also not of God, he would not create a person with 2 sex organs, that happens because of sin. But that doesn’t mean that because you were born that way that He doesn’t love you. It would not be a sin to know that you lust after the same sex and not act on it. Do you think that I don’t get tempted to do things that are against Gods will? To not give into those temptations is not a sin.

I have a mid-term to study for so I’ll leave it at that for now. Just know that no matter what you think, or have done (trust me I have done some bad things, and I have even denied his very existence), even the fact that you may not believe in him does not mean he does not love you. Do know that I respect your beliefs, I do not think any less of you. I just pray that one day soon, you would understand how much he does love you. Please don’t hesitate to ask me anything you want to understand about my faith, if I cant answer it for you I will try my hardest to find out.

“I would like to point out that all of you are arguing with a 15 year old. feel foolish now? “

Wait… are you saying we shouldn’t be taking you seriously? That we should treat your argument differently because of your age? Okay, but only because you insist.

“I have brushed up on my religious beliefs because everyday for at least an hour I’m sitting in a Bible class, every class in my school is related back to God.”

My condolences, then, that your education is being twisted in such a manner.

“I may not have gotten his name right, but I definitely got what he said when I watched it. I’m no idiot,”

You’re quite welcome to believe that’s what he said, but I hope you can see why a mangled recollection isn’t exactly convincing to anyone else, especially anyone who knows Dawkins’ position on religion. It’s also difficult to see what relevance it would have to anything even if it were true.

“you guys are for arguing with me.and I would love to see your expression when you die and go to hell.”

Wow. Charming. Are you in the habit of wishing the most horrible eternal torture imaginable on everyone you disagree with? I can only hope that f you really truly believed in hell, that you wouldn’t wish it on even your worst enemies.

The bible does say that believers get to observe the torment of the damned, though, so I guess if you’re right you’ll be able to indulge your disgusting taste for other peoples’ pain all you like.

“You really want to know? My uncles gay. He was abused by his cousin, which for your info was a man. And my best friends brother is gay who doesn’t have a father. Those are just 2 cases. But I know tons.”

The plural of ‘anecode’ is ‘anecdotes’, not ‘data’. Your own personal experiences are irrelevant when trying to establish objective reality. Scores of scientific studies into homosexuality in animals and humans show that the causes of homosexuality are genetic and developmental.

You clearly want homosexuality to be a choice, because that best fits with your theology. Unfortunately, reality doesn’t agree with you.

“Richard Dawson, the biggest athiest in the world went on a document and said that he hates CHristians and stated his argument as to why the world has evolved from nothing, and then exactly 2 seconds later he sits there and says that there must be someone who has created that nothing of which we transformed.”

I presume you mean Richard Dawkins. I’m guessing the rest of the quote is as mangled as his name. You can prove yourself right by simply linking to a video or article containing the original quote, though. I know Dawkins’ position, though, and I’m fairly confident he never said any such thing.

what do you mean “people are born gay”…that isnt possible.

Dr Dino gets 10 years in prison, because so many people hate him and try to get off the face of this earth, yet another persecution against my religion. Kent Hovind has excellent points that you should learn about. Everyone says I’m extremely smart, I sit there and read novels a day, now its up to at least 3, I annalized Romeo and Juliet when I was 10 and somehow my teacher thought I was a genius. I own at least 10 different Bibles in different languages, versions, and an apologetics Bible parallel Bibles, just about every Bible type you can think of. I sit there in class extremely bored because I’ve known all of the stuff they are teaching me for years. I must say I’m pretty smart. My IQ is outstanding. But I being me like to dumb down what I say a little so I don’t seem like I’m smart. You people are trying to sound as smart as you can be, when really this is me acting dumb.

oh and the Bible does not have contradictions, I’ve read it quite a few times. However the Gospels Matthew Mark Luke and John are all different people who have written them, and they have different views on what had happened

It says Judge not others as in judge them before you know them and you know what’s in their hearts. I can clearly see what’s in your hearts therefore I’m not judging. I was not condeming you to hell I was stating that you were going there if you didn’t change your ways.

Don’t tell me I don’t know something I know I know. its like saying the ocean doesn’t have waves.

“Homosexuality is a choice”

Haha As far back as I can remember I was always checkin out the chicks instead oh the guys thinking to myself”that lady has nice boobies” I didn’t know what I was, I wasn’t old enough to comprehend, I was 3 checking out chicks. Of coarse I “knew” that only a man & woman can “truly” love & that there were no such thing as a man & woman being together, least that’s what I thought for I had never been exposed to homosexuality. I remember in elementary & middle school being ridiculed & made fun of for being as I was. Though I denied being homosexual(thinking that it was a bad thing), I never stopped checking out the ladies. It wasn’t till about 6th grade that I started becoming attracted to guys as well, but the guys I’m drawn to look quite feminine. Both my parents are straight! Only one of my cuzins are lesbian, but she did not become such until she was in her 20’s She gave up on men when 1 stuck her(then she beat his @ss & threatened to kill him, lol) To be honest I wasn’t exposed to homosexuality till abut middle school, & I was rasied thinking that it was a bad thing so I tried changing myself thinking I was a bad person. But I was still bi no ,matter how hard I tried, & still am to this day. So there goes your theory right out the window

I do believe that people can be born gay. The bible says we are ALL born into sin, therefore being born gay is possible (this is just what I think Don’t quote me) just as sickness is not of god and people are born sick. what I do think is that you have a choice of whether you will give into that desire.Anyway sin is not of god but the bible says because of Adam and Eve, we where born into sin. Its the in the nature of the flesh to sin, thats why the bible says not to walk according to the flesh. Being that we are human, we are constantly tempted to sin, but that doesnt mean that you have to. With that said I have a lot of love for gays, to say that I dont is to say that I dont love myself or family or friends as we were all guilty of some type of sin. And any true bible believer knows that no sin is greater than the next. So who are we to judge. Not saying that its right just saying that as I have the nature of a sinner I cannot judge anyone elses sins.

I also don’t understand why God would put someone here and expect them to never be with another human being. To be asexual. That’s absurd to me. Why would God punish someone like that.

God did not intend for man to be alone. thats why he gave Adam an Eve. He never wanted us to not have sex with each other, in fact he says to be fruitful and multiply, He just wants us to be married before we do it.

“Dr Dino gets 10 years in prison, because so many people hate him and try to get off the face of this earth, yet another persecution against my religion. Kent Hovind has excellent points that you should learn about.”

Did you read anything about the case? He was even recorded speaking on the prison phone, conspiring to conceal assets from the IRS. Doesn’t sound like unjust persecution to me.

As far as his ‘excellent points’ go, even other creationist institutes are unimpressed. He repeats debunked and false claims and misrepresents the truth to such an extent that even others who share his worldview are embarrassed to be associated with him, and list his talking points as things other creationists should avoid.

“Everyone says I’m extremely smart, I sit there and read novels a day, “

Your intelligence is irrelevant to your argument. Either your argument stands on its own or it doesn’t; who you are personally has nothing to do with it.

“oh and the Bible does not have contradictions, I’ve read it quite a few times. However the Gospels Matthew Mark Luke and John are all different people who have written them, and they have different views on what had happened”

I direct you to ty’s excellent reply, listing just a few of the many many contradictions. The skeptic’s annotated bible has many, many more.

“It says Judge not others as in judge them before you know them and you know what’s in their hearts. I can clearly see what’s in your hearts therefore I’m not judging.”

You don’t know anything about any of us except that we disagree with you on this point.

“I don’t care what you say I know what I know. you can’t prove me wrong. and I checked for the video clip but there is none, and I don’t have the DVD therefore you should trust me because I am very trustworthy. you can’t trust me thats your problem.”

You didn’t even get his name right. Why should we believe that you got the quote right, especially when it’s completely counter to everything he says? You haven’t even provided us with an actual quote, or context, or where and when he’s supposed to have said it. If you can’t back it up, it’s rumor (or worse, slander), not fact.

“and I know 100%someone can stop being gay because I know. theres no question to it. I’m not explaining what I mean by that any further.”

What you ‘know’ is at odds with reality. Your own personal experiences don’t override scores of scientific studies to the contrary.

Here’s a simple question for you: Why do animals exhibit homosexual behaviour? Are they sinning? Are they ‘choosing’ to be homosexual?

“God condemns the unbeliever not the sinner. The sinner who knows he has sinned and is sorry for it is not condemned but there sins are forgotten and erased.”

I’m sure your friends really appreciate your pity and your judgemental attitude.

Well my arguemnt to this would be, if this person (because thats what the are not an ‘it’ like you refered to them) was born like every1 else and grew up to make the choice of not becoming a believer in God it really doesnt matter who they sleep with, they are a sinner simple as. but if they choose to become a believer in God then, it does get abit tricky. there are two things they could prob do that would be ok in the eyes of the Lord (that I can see, its not wrote in the Bible so dont quote me on it.). 1. they could choose not to be with man or woman if they werent 100% sure which was right or 2. they could choose one or the other and stick too it.

But really and truely what I believe, and not forcing it on anyone in anyway at all is, That person if they chose to serve God, would no what they are no matter what genitles they are born with.. God made them the way they are for a reason dont no what it would be. and God is perfect, we humans arnt, theres a difference.

8ahem. you’re both idiots. God had set a law that he has realized was not possible to be exactly perfect therefore he sent the second covenant aka Jesus down to save us from our sins.*

If God were perfect… then he’d make no mistakes, meaning he’d get everything right the first time… so why were a SECOND set of laws necessary?

God condemns the unbeliever not the sinner

…you REALLY need to brush up on your religious studies.

and you can’t prove me wrong

I just did… and you had no valid response…

because the truth can’t be false and I know the truth, truth is not an opinion it’s a fact

No it’s not…

There is no FACT, or TRUTH, partaining to the existence of God or how he thinks. It’s impossible to have faith in God, and simultaneously KNOW he’s real or right or the truth, or whatever. You’re actually DEFYING GOD by doing so, because it defeats the purpose of faith. Faith is a requirement of God, KNOWING is both unrequired and impossible. You’d know that if you weren’t so hell bent on brandishing your inferiority complex, and being so ignorant…

“But I being me like to dumb down what I say a little so I don’t seem like I’m smart. You people are trying to sound as smart as you can be, when really this is me acting dumb.”

True intelligence shines through. It is impossible to hide. My dear, I see nothing except a brain-washed young woman trying to convince others she is intelligent.

The fact you respect Kent Hovind to the point of blind fanaticism says volumes about your reasoning and judgment.

I can only assume you are being raised in a highly controlling, fundamentalist environment.

If you actually are an intelligent young woman and not just the argumentative, brain-washed teen you appear to be, I hope that you are somehow able to break from your surroundings and see the world.

Every answer you gave saddens me. You are old enough to start doing something with your life, instead you have allowed the shackles of fanatical fundamentalist religion to completely take over.

Arachnid, all I have to say to that, is to read the bible with understanding. You would see where it says that we were born in to sin, its inherited, and shaped in iniquity. The bible says we all have fallen short of the glory of God. So like I said, it happens because of sin. You do not have to agree with it, he gave you free will. It is in our nature to sin, but he asks us not to. No one sin is greater than the next, so just as he tells someone who lusts after their own sex to turn away from it, he tells someone who lets for example wants to kill and steal to turn away from it. And I ask you what have I done according to you for you to say this? “This attitude is what has caused the worst atrocities against people with disabilities and deformities the world around. It’s despicable, and totally unfounded in fact or theology.” Please do not disrespect my beliefs, I have not and will not say that your beliefs are “despicable” God is love, and I pray that you are blessed arachnid, in everything. As for me… I know that my arms are too short to box with God. I believe and trust in his word.

A journey to the land of Oz… or the fruition of a technocratic non-utopia

“Never argue from the subjective”…why’s that?… because its too narrow a pool to draw from… the bulbous lump between your ears is better at collecting than it is at evaluating. Why question your reality when scientists… infallible… above reproach and never compromised… can insert reality for you?

The tongue is useless unless it’s regurgitating statistical analysis done by professionals. Any hint of critical thought attempted on an individual basis will be met with outright contempt. Thought reform will be meted out by your right-thinking peers… failure to submit will constitute terms for ostracism at large. The social clique or the social clink… your choice.

Repeat after me… “Religion is mind-control” The religious residue of the populace can only be overcome by strict adherence to and acceptance of scientific protocol administered by the local judas goat and mimicked by the sheeple of the flock. Take any liberties needed to rinse the brainwashed masses… indoctrination into our much preferred cult of the personality is hastened by clean slates.

It is all over. Original thought is a casualty of the learned half-wits.

A question I imagine some “earnest”… and non-leveraged anthropologist is tackling as I write:

If homosexuality is derived genetically for the most part… Would it then be generational? Isnt this a conundrum?… It is hardly a self sustaining trait… definitely not beneficial for its own continuance. I’m not going to be a teetotaler and say that genetics play no role in precipitating the trait… but only a supporting role… the essence is in the mind. Of course.

I don’t mean to criticize the scientific method… nor the reliance on scientific endeavor… only the willingness to forego any other means of critical thought… this is a complex condition of the human sexual role… and to a lesser extent animals… as has been offered [they have minds as well]. Anthropology can only go so far… and a study in genetics a pittance when so many exterior factors wreak havok for any semblance of a control group. This… like a lot of life… is better suited for subjective discussion… it is a human condition… personal experience is valid here.

ahem. you’re both idiots. God had set a law that he has realized was not possible to be exactly perfect therefore he sent the second covenant aka Jesus down to save us from our sins. God condemns the unbeliever not the sinner. The sinner who knows he has sinned and is sorry for it is not condemned but there sins are forgotten and erased.

I do not make any of my homosexual friends feel less than a person. I have already stated I love the to death. My uncle is very special to me, he is and always was my favourite uncle. I loved him before I knew he was gay, and when I found out I was a little saddened when I heard his story and felt even more compassion for him. No one I have met in the past year have said they hated a homosexual.

and you can’t prove me wrong because the truth can’t be false and I know the truth, truth is not an opinion it’s a fact. get over it you know I’m right. God is perfect he made everyone in his image but since we are also sinners we are unperfect

you do have a choice to be gay or not, you do choose it and research, not all research is correct, not all research is the truth, most researchers are probably sinners anyways, so do you really think they are going to say they have a choice NO, God is perfect, HE cannot sin, dont you people not realize the devil works too, its a constant battle between God and the devil, it wont end til, Christ comes back, God doesn make mistakes, we dont live in a perfect world, stuff happens, if we lived in a perfect world, God wouldn had to send his son, and we’d all have a perfect body b/c of SIN, diseases and deformedity (sorry dont know how to spell it) has come into the world, including people bein born of 2 sexes, see, what sin has done to the world, bad things hapen b/c there is also sin, thanks to adan and eve, we have to live with it b/c of what human did, til Christ comes back

Well, it is great that you have a “hobby”. I am sure you will be the next Adams. I do question your IQ. Most times a young person with your “superior” intelligence would be in a higher grade at 15 years of age. Freshman at 15? I was in college at 16. There is not one response or theory you have made that isn’t an argument. A person with your “proclaimed” level of intelligence should perform better on this forum. To debate without fact displays a lack of knowledge and a childish attitude.

And I wonder if you are misquoting your teachers. Are they saying that you have learned “all they have to offer” or are they saying that “you think you know it all”? I am guessing that it is the latter. If your teachers thought you were that intelligent, you would be skipping grades for early graduation. According to your age and grade level, that is not the case.

oh nay nay. they taught me about evolution, and bhuddism, and incarnation, and athiesm. But they put emphasis on that they are not the right way.

and NOOO I do not wish hell on you. because well you see that is where I believe you’re going. however that can be changed. and I CAN sit here and tell you you’re going to hell, because you are.

thanks angelwaiting. the only other person on here that understands the truth and not this folly that other people want to believe because they don’t want to know that what they are doing is wrong.

and I’m pointing out that I’m 15 and you obviously have nothing better to do then argue with a 15 year old because you can’t and will not be able to argue with the one and only Kent Hovind. and yeah I got his name right, because I spent 4 weeks attempting to find anything faulty in his excellent theory as to why evolution can’t be possible.

Sorry to say, there’s no evidence that prayer or ‘faith healing’ actually works, and there have been scientific studies conducted on it. Believing it does work can be dangerous, leading people to prefer it in favor of effective treatments.

“And if they wished they weren’t that way I’m pretty sure they would stop.”

That’s the most humourous thing I’ve heard all day. That you can just stop being gay. You know nothing of the real world my dear.

There’s a vast body of evidence that homosexuality is determined genetically and developmentally. It’s not a ‘choice’ any more than which hand is dominant is a choice.

ally_xo I just want to see what they think about this. Seeing as how this question is created out of things they themselves have said.

lish54 You are the main type of person that I wrote this question about. You can’t prove a thing. All of your information is incorrect. Scientist do reasearch and are un-biast. There are plenty of religious scientist as well that have proved that people can be born gay. You have no clue about the real world, because your religion has blinded you.

It amazes me that no matter how much research is done, how many facts there are. Christians refuse to see them. Again, the are blinded by religion. The refuse to believe TRUTH because it does not match what their bible tells them. It’s pure brainwashing.

I just saw this…

and no one was born gay it’s proven that people turn gay because of lack of authority from the same gender or abuse from the same gender

Proven really? Who proved it? Where? When? How come none of the gays have been given the antidote?

“God doesn make mistakes, we dont live in a perfect world, stuff happens, if we lived in a perfect world,

Maybe God didn’t make a mistake…but the MEN who wrote the Bible did??? Humans love to put words into “God’s mouth”…

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ever thought that maybe god just has some crazy sense of humor? being born with both organs is probably just his way of sayinh hey look what I can do!

You really want to know? My uncles gay. He was abused by his cousin, which for your info was a man. And my best friends brother is gay who doesn’t have a father. Those are just 2 cases. But I know tons. And I did make a point. If the person knows what they truly are, if they feel like they are a man and Like woman then he/she is not gay, but if it finds it’s self to be comfortable as a man, and they like men then it is gay. problem solved, they know in their heart what they are.

my uncle wasn’t born gay, he told me the whole story, he liked girls, but was abused and now likes girls. Therefore I believe it is impossible to be born gay.

theboro that was actually funny!

I would feel just tad arrogant, imposing MY conception of perfection into what “God’s” might be…that said, I can’t accept another human’s view of what might be perfection, either…including the Bible…

I don’t believe being gay, is a choice…millions of gays give “living a lie” the old college try…marry, have children, do what is considered “normal”…only to discover what is “normal” for them, is not hetrosexuality…no choice there…a simple “coming to terms with self”…More power to’em!!!

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“God did not make anyone asexual. sickness, deformity and the like are bought upon us by sin.” This attitude is what has caused the worst atrocities against people with disabilities and deformities the world around. It’s despicable, and totally unfounded in fact or theology.

“Confusion is also not of God, he would not create a person with 2 sex organs, that happens because of sin. “

Really? What sin has a newborn child committed?

“It would not be a sin to know that you lust after the same sex and not act on it. Do you think that I don’t get tempted to do things that are against Gods will? To not give into those temptations is not a sin.”

But to create someone with a set of biological imperatives and then tell them it’s sinful to act on them… that’s just fine, and the sign of a loving and benevolent god?

I don’t know… my dog is a scatophage… haven’t asked if it makes him hot or not.

Perhaps I’d be more wont to believe you if I noticed monogamy or adherence to same sex relationships of the order of man in the animal kingdom.

I think in time… if and when sanity returns to mankind… honest evaluations are made… not by affronted practitioners… not by the scallywags driven by agendas… not by religious zealots… but nonjudgemental brokers like yourself [ _ ]… the mind’s influence will take the prime relevancy it deserves. Surface tensions are rarely plunged with willful ignorance.

I’m not debating the developmental aspect of homosexuality.

For the record… your inflections are hardly gospel.

* God is perfect, and no one was born gay it’s proven that people turn gay because of lack of authority

If this were true, homosexuality would be a uniquely human behavior. But it isn’t. It’s widespread among many species. You have totally ignored the issue of hermaphrodites. We know that sexual differentiation goes awry in hermaphrodites, but religious bigots totally ignore that and refuse to deal with the obvious conclusion; sexuality is a continuum, rather than being binary.

Though the great majority of the time, it results in heterosexuality, it does not always.

Well… yes and no she did eat the apple but the true sin was disobeying god. And by doing that sin was introduced to the world. I do not subscribe to the blame the victim philosophy, because I was once an unbeliever and I know what the non believer is going through. I can relate. sometimes some Christians get on their high horse and think that they are above the non believer when it is not so.The Lord is mindful of us all. I am sorry if my earlier posts gave that impression, in was certainly not my intention. The gift of healing is just that. Healing. Healing is the children’s bread the bible says. Like how some people go to the doctors to get healed. I go to church and get prayed over, and it works the same if not better (its cheaper and no side effects) than medicine.

levzeroni I dont buy it at all. Please explain to me how my gay friends are gay, though they never were neglected by any of their parents and they were never abused by anybody. Your theory may stand in your close group of friends, but it doesn’t stand for the whole world. You can’t just make a conclusion out of people you know. There has been TONS of research done of whether gays were born gay, and almost all of it points to yes. You still haven’t addressed my last point either:

“Also, even if a hermaphrodite knows what they are. Gay or Straight. They would still be participating in homosexual activities, which is considered a sin to christians. Whether you call yourself gay or not, you are having sex with the same sex.”

levzeroni Just as you have called me a fool, as are you. You said that you know 100 percent that someone could just stop being gay. That’s insane. Are you a homosexual, do you know every homosexual in the world? Believe me if they could stop it, most of them would in a heartbeat. They dont want to be hated and discriminated against, most of them live their lives in fear, and a lot of them commit suicide because of the hate against them by others and by themselves. You are ridiculous.

levzeroni I dont see what your age has to do with this. Your only making it seem as if you opinion is not that educated now. Good job ma’am. I feel sorry for you, your in a school that only teaches you one side of things. They dont give you the right to question things and learn for youself. That’s sad. And this hell you speak of, cracks me up. Go on and live your life in fear, while the rest of us are enjoying ourselves and using our OWN brains. I will not go to hell, because I dont believe in such places. You can’t sit here and tell people from different religions that they will go to hell, you are foolish.

“Arachnid, many people including me have been healed by faith. Many doctors have even witnessed it. so you not believing doesnt change the fact that it happened.”

I would say the same to you: You believing in it doesn’t mean it did happen. There’s absolutely no real evidence (anecotes are not evidence) of ‘faith healing’. In contrast, medicine is proven to be pretty damn effective. I know which one I’ll put my trust in.

Besides, your god seems pretty choosy as to who he heals. People who don’t get prayed for have spontaneous remissions at about the same rate as those who do. There’s no noticeable difference between christians, those of other faiths, and those of none, nor between ‘good’ people and ‘bad’ people. And he has this thing about not healing amputees.

Wow, I seriously love how far this conversation is gone. I can’t believe that this christian lady is saying that, being a hermaphrodite or being homosexual is because of sin. That would mean that you are saying that it is wrong. Your saying that we are born into sin because of adam and eve. Why didn’t your God put an end ot it right there, why make the entire world suffer because of something that 2 people did. Your kidding me right. I say it again. I will not believe in a vengeful and condeming being.

I would like to point out that all of you are arguing with a 15 year old. feel foolish now? I have brushed up on my religious beliefs because everyday for at least an hour I’m sitting in a Bible class, every class in my school is related back to God. am I still learning, yes. I may not have gotten his name right, but I definitely got what he said when I watched it. I’m no idiot, you guys are for arguing with me.and I would love to see your expression when you die and go to hell.

oh naynay I am doing something with my life. when I turn 18 I’m traveling the world with my Canon Rebel EOS XSI. I’ve already made money off of pictures I’ve taken, I have shoots set up for the next few months, freshman arent allowed on yearbook but they let me on. all of the teachers said I shouldn’t be in school anymore because I learned everything they have to offer. When I’m done traveling the world I’m going to be whatever I want to be. I have plans, and those plans will either be what God has in store for me or not what he has in store for me.

I AM NOT RIDICOLOUS. I don’t care what you say I know what I know. you can’t prove me wrong. and I checked for the video clip but there is none, and I don’t have the DVD therefore you should trust me because I am very trustworthy. you can’t trust me thats your problem. I am not a fool. You’re just being foolish for calling me a fool, because you don’t want to hear the truth. You want to know that your sin is ok when it’s not and because I’m telling you it’s not okay you don’t want to hear from me. and I know 100%someone can stop being gay because I know. theres no question to it. I’m not explaining what I mean by that any further.

the sin of adam and eve introduced sin. Don’t for one second, think that I don’t have compassion for the sick. All I’m saying is that it was not God’s intention for us to be this way. I have Thallassemia for example. His intention was not for me to be sick. Sickness is not of him, and so since he knows that by one man we have all become guilty of sin he have his only son (Jesus) so that we would all be forgiven. He did by the way give us the gift of healing.

phrannie I agree with you on that. I’m not a christian, but I also dont beleive the bible is 100 percent the word of God as they think it is. I mean come on, it was man written. How do you know they didn’t throw their own views and things in there. The only thing that is bugging me is the people who say it’s TRUTH and not FAITH. You can’t prove religion. It’s faith, it’s something that you believe in.

No the power of prayer is universal arachnid.

Mandyloo I’m a girl. Silly because you don’t understand. But I can tell you this arachnid and mandyloo. you will have a chance to settle your beef with God one day.

believe what you want but this was pretty pointless. as my faith has not been shaken, and your beliefs have not either.

God bless you. and remember God loves you whether you want him to or not.

You don’t have a choice it is born into you. So if you are a real christian you would know that god made you the way he made you so there can’t be sins. If the lord is so wonderful he won’t harm anyone who is not of the Catholic or christian faith and will not harm bisexual’s or Homosexuals. I am a Wiccan and I think it’s pretty silly that god would condemn what he made. Silly right?

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Nothing has GONE over my head my good sir. Your religion being silly and not making sense, is just coming from a person with logical thinking. Thank you.

It’s ridiculous to think that these people were born that way because of sins of Adam and Eve. Those were the first two people. So why didn’t God just fix thing right then, get rid of them, and save the world from suffering. It’s silly.

Ha I’ve lived the real world. I know a lot about it. I am extremely smart, there is no doubt that the reason why I am so smart is the fact that I know whats going on. I’ve struggled through soo many things, things I am too embarassed so speak of that has to come quite close to my topic. but now I know why these happen. and trust me they can stop, I know they can. you may not know, but I 100% know they can.

Oh boy. So much to debunk.

“The Bible never once contradicts itself , nor does God ever practice double standards.”

I’m pretty sure you’ve said this before. And look! The bible is full of contradictions! I don’t see how anyone who’s actually read it could possibly think otherwise. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html

“Even thaose people who reject the Bible as God’s word– the evolutonist, for example must face the truth,IFthe theory of evolution was true , being born gay might occur once within a zillion years , But, if it did it would require a mistake in the DNA structure,,, and thw foul-up, simce it works against the very survival of the humanspecies.”

You base these figures on what, exactly? I’m guessing you’re not an evolutionary biologist. There are plenty of sound reasons why some degree of homosexuality in a species can persist evolutionaraly, and when you posted this exact screed in a previous question, I outlined some of them then. If you’re interested in an actual debate, rather than just parroting the same things over and over, I hope you’ll respond to these points, rather than continuing to copy-paste them as if nobody has refuted them.

“oh nay nay. they taught me about evolution, and bhuddism, and incarnation, and athiesm. But they put emphasis on that they are not the right way.”

And this is all based on doctrine, not reality. I’m sad to see you’re spoonfed what you’re simply told is right, rather than being presented with the facts and invited to draw your own conclusions.

“and NOOO I do not wish hell on you. because well you see that is where I believe you’re going.”

You said “ I would love to see your expression when you die and go to hell.”. That sounds a lot like wishing it on me.

“and I’m pointing out that I’m 15 and you obviously have nothing better to do then argue with a 15 year old”

Like I said - you seem to be claiming that I should discount your views based on your age. I’m somewhat puzzled - do you not think your own views are worthy of attention? If you do, why are you encouraging other people to treat them with less respect based on your age?

“you can’t and will not be able to argue with the one and only Kent Hovind. and yeah I got his name right, because I spent 4 weeks attempting to find anything faulty in his excellent theory as to why evolution can’t be possible.”

First, your inability to poke holes in a theory does not mean it is invalid. If the entire scientific community could not refute it - AND if it made testable predictions that were better than those of competing theories - then it would deserve some respect.

And would that be the same Kent Hovind who is currently serving 10 years federal prison for tax fraud? The one who classified his employees at his for-profit theme park as ‘missionaries’ so he could avoid paying tax? The same one who even Answers in Genesis decries as a nutjob? This is your authority for the invalidity of evolution?

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Dr_Dino_gets_10_years_in_prison

captainassassin

“Bows Down” Thank you sir, my point exactly!

oh lol, this argument is priceless, and you are wrong levzeroni in saying they should be giving you special treatment because of your age, there are actual intelligent 15 year olds who are capable of having a reasonable discussion even with adults, dont malign all teenagers simply because you feel out of your depth in a discussion you provoked.

Forgive me for coming in late and perhaps bring things up that have already been brought up, but I dont believe you’ve actually provided an answer to any of these questions

“it’s proven that people turn gay because of lack of authority from the same gender or abuse from the same gender.”

Who has proven it? (scientifically please, your anecdotes are not going to suffice as proof to anyone)

“ God however made people with both reproductive organs because that’s what he did.” This is like saying the sky is blue because it is… there’s no logic to the statement

“but I believe that that person will know in their heart what they truly are, gay or not gay they will know.” I thought people turned gay? so which is it, are they “truly” gay or are they turned gay?

“my uncle wasn’t born gay, he told me the whole story, he liked girls, but was abused and now likes girls. Therefore I believe it is impossible to be born gay. “ My little cousin believes in santa claus. He says he saw santa claus come down the chimney at christmas. Therefore I believe santa claus is real. Your logic (if it can be called that) makes no sense…

“you see I knew a good 40 gays. I love them to death but not what they do, I despise it, it makes me sick to think about, but you see, they all gave me the same conclussion when they told me why they are gay, not because they had always liked the same gender, but because they were abused or neglectid by the same gender. neither was it from society that they thought they liked the oppposite, but because of what happened to them psychology terms. my cousin who is extremely smart, is a psychologist and helps with the mental and other people. he also told me that that’s why people are gay. and I would be some fool to think he was wrong on that one, especially when he spent 2 years on the study of it.”

1. I dont believe you know 40 gays, for one thing no one I know likes to be a referred to as a “gay” and secondly unless you met them all in some sort of conversion therapy group I find it hard to believe you know that many confused homosexuals. Your cousin may have spent 2 years studying psychology but the APA (American Psychological Association) has concluded that homosexuality is not a disorder, and sexual orientation is not a choice. I guess your cousin must know better than the leading experts in psychology. Perhaps he should talk to these experts and set them straight! (no pun intended)

“And if they wished they weren’t that way I’m pretty sure they would stop.” Wait, so they were turned into these things, but now they like it? hmm…

“MY RELIGION is being persecuted “ who is persecuting you, specifically please… dont just throw big words out there…

“ Richard Dawson, the biggest athiest in the world went on a document and said that he hates CHristians” what document? (and I think you mean he went on record, as a supposedly smart person you sure do make a lot of mistakes, I wont even go into your spelling errors)

“yes I said his name wrong, because as you presume I have thousands of names being told to me everyday and get quite on the confused part of exactly what the name was “ we try not to presume… and yes it is quite obvious these things are “told to you” and not originating from you…

“but all the same I know who he is. and trust me I know he said it because me and the rest of my school were sitting in the theater watch him say it “ hmm yeah why I dont I believe you?

“ don’t have the DVD therefore you should trust me because I am very trustworthy. “ as soon as you show me these 40 confused homosexuals and 20 people who apparently learnt no manners and spit in your face

“I know 100%someone can stop being gay because I know. theres no question to it. I’m not explaining what I mean by that any further.” yup and I know santa claus is real because I know. there’s no question to it. I’m not explaining what I mean by that any further.

“ would like to point out that all of you are arguing with a 15 year old. feel foolish now? “ no not really… why should your age be a defense against your ignorance? if you were 5 perhaps, but there are plenty of 15 year olds who have brains…

“oh nay nay. they taught me about evolution, and bhuddism, and incarnation, and athiesm. But they put emphasis on that they are not the right way.” and you claim not be brainwashed…

“I CAN sit here and tell you you’re going to hell, because you are. “

Matthew 7:1, “Judge not that ye be not judged.” Luke 6:37, “Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned Romans 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same th Romans 2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of

“I have brushed up on my religious beliefs because everyday for at least an hour I’m sitting in a Bible class, every class in my school is related back to God. am I still learning, yes. I may not have gotten his name right, but I definitely got what he said when I watched it. I’m no idiot, you guys are for arguing with me.and I would love to see your expression when you die and go to hell.”

perhaps you need to read more, because it looks like we’ll be meeting you there..

“Dr Dino gets 10 years in prison, because so many people hate him and try to get off the face of this earth,” ooh we have a conspiracy theorist on our hands…

“Everyone says I’m extremely smart” Well that doesn’t say much about your intelligence, just theirs…

“I annalized Romeo and Juliet when I was 10 and somehow my teacher thought I was a genius” It’s analyzed… when you are attempting to look like a genius try to get the spelling of words right… it might lend credibility to what you’re saying…

“oh and the Bible does not have contradictions, I’ve read it quite a few times.”

1 Samuel 17:49-50 “David put his hand in his bag, and took thence a stone, and slang it, and smote the Philistine in his forehead, that the stone sunk into his forehead; and he fell upon his face to the earth. David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and with a stone, and smote the Philistine, and slew him; but there was no sword in the hand of David.

1 Samuel 17:51 David ran, and stood upon the Philistine, and took his sword, and drew it out of the sheath thereof, and slew him, and cut off his head therewith.

So which is it a sword or no sword?

Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food … she took of the fruit therof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Genesis 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

Wasnt Adam supposed to die? Either it is a contradiction or God lied…

Matthew 2:14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt.

Luke 2:39 And when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth.

Which is it, did they go to Egypt or Nazareth?

Since you refused to actually look at the website provided I decided to give you a few examples…

“However the Gospels Matthew Mark Luke and John are all different people who have written them, and they have different views on what had happened” But it’s the inspired word of God… how can there be different view points to the same thing when it was inspired by God? Unless God decided to have some sort of split personality moment? And how do you know which one is right then? Surely there cant be contradictions if there is only one truth? And if it is just viewpoints doesn’t it make it all fallible?

“can clearly see what’s in your hearts therefore I’m not judging.” Ah so not only are you a bible expert but you’re telepathic too? Must be hard to do it long distance…

“Don’t tell me I don’t know something I know I know. its like saying the ocean doesn’t have waves.” No one’s telling you that you don’t know what you know. We’re simply pointing out you have no evidence to back up ANYTHING you say and therefore what you know is based on opinion and faith not on facts (making it not what you know, but what you think you know)

“”I know 100%someone can stop being gay because I know. theres no question to it. I’m not explaining what I mean by that any further.” Hmm why are you trying to make an argument if you cant make one? Surely at genius level you can make a decent argument at the very least against this… what proof do you have? Scientific proof, yes we know miscegenymiser doesn’t believe in science, he prefers a blind acceptance of something that cannot be empirically tested and retested… however most people do believe science is a little more valid than a book that was written by sexist men a few hundred years ago who knew nothing of science and supported slavery.

You still have yet to explain why homosexuality (not simply sex but actual pairings) is evident in other species besides humans? Surely if there was no genetic predisposition, then the behavior wouldn’t be seen in other animals? You can hardly call it learned behavior in the animal kingdom…

I think they HATE what has come of the other people they hate and discriminate against them. Infact I hate it when people do that to them. But if homosexuals love it then let them love it. And if they wished they weren’t that way I’m pretty sure they would stop. I don’t even call it normal, infact nothing is truly normal.

pshh I don’t care if you hate that quote, and infact I must say I’m not blinded by religion, my religion has taught that yes this is what happens and no I should not take part of that. You have to have Faith that God is the right one, and I have that Faith. Society is far from Christian, they expel and do not want to hear about anything that goes against the fact that the world has evolved from nothing. Richard Dawson, the biggest athiest in the world went on a document and said that he hates CHristians and stated his argument as to why the world has evolved from nothing, and then exactly 2 seconds later he sits there and says that there must be someone who has created that nothing of which we transformed. MY RELIGION is being persecuted I know of thousands of people who aren’t allowed to say what they believe in for fear they might die. I’ve met a good 20 people who when I told them I couldn’t do what they were doing because I was Christian they spit in my face and called me an idiot.

they don’t brainwash me, I made the choice to believe in God. must I ask do you think mudering someone is horendous?

yes I said his name wrong, because as you presume I have thousands of names being told to me everyday and get quite on the confused part of exactly what the name was but all the same I know who he is. and trust me I know he said it because me and the rest of my school were sitting in the theater watch him say it and then all went on in a quite heated discussions to why in the world he had said that, and how he contradicted himself quite terribly

Hmm…

So, has anyone else noticed for the past week, levzeroni has been trying (and failing) to prove that she’s smart & awesome, instead of trying (and failing) to prove that she’s RIGHT?

The majority of her posts have just been shameless self-promotion. Maybe she thinks her b.s. ability can somehow validate her opinions?

I also find it amusing and ridiculous that she claims to have several versions of the Bible, ALL without contradiction; when there are numerous reputable CHRISTIAN SCHOLARS who have spent their lives (a.k.a. what happens AFTER fifteen) finding biblical contradictions… and finding SEVERAL.