What makes something moral and immoral(more)? What makes something good and something bad? Now, a lot of people say good/bad is subjective. Then how are the laws which we live by and govern us decided upon? Most people will say it is bad, or wrong if it hurts someone. What if a person doesn't have the personal morale that hurting a person is bad? ie: to some hitting a child is ok, to some it is absolutely inhumane. Or perhaps a psychopath, one who doesn't have that sort of a conscience, or morale, who's to say what he does is wrong? How is it distinguished?
A philosopher, Aristotle had stated that the "good" is the potential of the human race which is special to and separate from animals and other species.
A hedonist would say the ultimate good is finding and obtaining physical pleasure (including happiness) and pain (in any form) is bad.
Immanuel Kant, another philosopher says good is from good intent where one does what they are supposed to do, not from fear of negative consequences when they don't.
What are your thoughts?
I would have to agree with Aristotle and Kant... and disagree with the hedonistic take. The hedonist has formulated their concept upon the more basic functioning reptilian complex of the brain which only weighs decisions based on the pleasure/pain reactions. Kant and Aristotle have both hit on a truth that the selfless nature they described as fundamentally good is based on the higher functioning neomammalian complex. Good would have no relationship to reward... it would be independent of reward or punishment. This is a quality associated with the higher reasoning inherent to the higher functioning brain
I suppose the concept is subjective... inasmuch as it is an anthropocentric concept. Being that the mind or at least the minds of most everyone reading the question... I think... would also be anthropocentric... then defining good in an objective sense... wouldn't be incorrect.
I get ya,and apolagise too for being a grumpy ****...and you have got me now thinking communistic ways when i was thinking of a leaderless society or one with out a God type of thing...Communism as far as i know is not actually that bad of an idea is it,its the humans that cant stick to the rules that mess it up and corupt it with greed ect...In discussions else where i have read that in a small village communism works well for all because it can be fairly done ...up the scale and its abused and forever more gets a bad name ,is the way i see it .
I come at most things from a solipsistic standpoint... so dissecting reality is almost a moot point to me. I have no idea where the subjective and objective mind diverge... if they do... or if anything other than my subjective reality exists. In my mind... i know what is moral... and that is as I have proffered... the take provided by Kant and Aristotle. I can't really decipher existentialism in the reality of my singular mind... though i suppose... on another level... that is an endorsement of it. I don't know... sh!t be deep... too deep.
My thoughts on this question lean more towards Kant's statement on lack of fear or negative consequences. In my Psych class we asked about normality and abnormality, what makes something/someone normal?
The answer was that "there is no such thing as truly normal or abnormal. It all depends on how the majority [of people] react.", quoting my teacher.
I still lean toward Kant to say that moral beliefs are those that do not create negative thoughts in your mind.
There is no good or bad,they are just other words for what some view as right and wrong. Its all about what seems to work ,what keeps things nicely flowing, is what is good...interupt the flow ,and its bad....aid the flow and your doing good...works ok but who ever tipped the jug in the first place to allow the flow,aint pouring it so well,so it will never work until the pourer can be automated and joins the rest of us...then everything flows good.
Well, from my perspective (which is a sociopath's, keep in mind) good and bad don't exist. "Good/Moral" is merely the society's pitiful attempt to keep a modicum of law and order, while "Bad/Immoral" is a term meant to make people shy away from certain actions and thought. Now on a "is that pie good or bad term" it's more wether you like something (good) or don't like something (bad). Those are my thoughts...I know they're kind of odd.
i agree to a certain degree with Greg. "As times change so do our morals and the perception of good and bad." but i'd also say that anything you do with the intention of causing harm, or the knowledge thereof and doing it anyway is bad (evil) and anything that debases yourself or others is immoral. but then again, good/evil and moral/immoral is like beauty...it is in the eye of the beholder
Society and perception determines the view of what is good or bad. Remember it was ok to marry at 14 even if the guy was in his 20s or 30s. Now its almost a sin - As times change so do our morals and the perception of good and bad - I think its more of an individual social (community) decision.
Thats "The Big Bad Witch" to you young man!! ;- ) Yes. I read it. I'm a Photojournalist and published author. I don't have a "helper." I have a personal assistant. And the "communist" thing was just a small joke. I apologize if you didn't find it funny.
derr didda ya red it?...I know its confusing but get your helper to read it to you again...and then you will know just how pathetic your reply is...Witch.
If it's a sin/sinful, it's immoral....if it's harmful or meant for harm in any manner, it's bad
This distinction generally falls back to the common moral-code of a region, group, or society.
Do you believe there's a sort of an existentialist moral in humans?
works for me. thanks for the laughs, and goodnight johnboy ;-)
i'd say i have to agree Leonora. those thoughts are odd
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