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what is the significance of the pope? why do we have one?
Then…… Catholics claim QUOTE “” { 2. “”” It goes against common sense…”””. / { to not believe this to be truth }/
OK but if CATHOLIC TRADITION is nonsensical and against the word of God and its Traditions ……why would a true Saint of GOD believe in catholic teaching to begin with ? Then…… Catholics claim QUOTE “” { 3. “”” Who determined the contents of the Bible? Yes, the Catholic Church. So who is the Authoritative translator in this case? “”””
OK but WHAT IF ……the Catholic Church had NOTHING to do in determining the contents of the BIBLE…?,,,..nor in spreading the bible to the world……?
.NOR IN TRANSLATING the bible in other languages….? NOR IN teaching the BIBLE to mankind ?
FACTS PROVE THE OPPOSITE IN EVERY WAY
The NEW TESTAMENT - bible was written…. BY ALL JEWS.. and one GENTILE MAN.. the EARLIEST BIBLE is OUT OF North AFRICA and is the VETUS ..BIBLE of 200 AD
The whole /complete Bible, based on Greek manuscripts of N.T.was the Vetus Bible OF 200 AD. out of N. Africa
Vetus Itala OF 200 AD ….WAS the WHOLE New Testament Bible...complete in thirty-eight manuscripts, its Old-Testament text survived only in parts. Catholic Enc Vol. XV, © 2007 http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15367a.htm
No Church at Rome nor the Roman Government which created and invented the Catholic religion had anything to do with WRITING THE BIBLE…..
No Church at Rome nor the Roman Government DETERMINED the contents of the BIBLE…?,,,..nor spread the bible to the orld……?
.NOR IN TRANSLATED the bible in other languages….?
NOR HAVE CATHOLICS TAUGHT the truth of the BIBLE to mankind
ALL CATHOLICISM HAS….. is claims……and forged documents…..and scriblings of early ROMAN BUSSINESS MEN…and politicians who called themselves POPES…… \ NOTHING MORE………….
Men who I would not entrust with my own mother….
{ Catholics also claim…~ Quote 4. “””” Scripture tells us that Christ left a Church with Divine Authority to Govern in His name “””””
Mt 16:13-20, 18:18; Lk10:16).
OK True ..BUT Jesus never mentions the Church at Rome, nor a pope not a Catholic church , NOR CATHOLIC TRADITIONS
The Catholic assumption and AGAIN ~ CLAIM …..
that Peter….somehow secured an eternal line of power and SUCCESION ….. to all …WANNA ~ BE…. bishops at Rome who want to be rulers of the entire earth ….
BUT the bible SHOWS THE complete OPPOSITE
For Jesus declared CLEARLY in….~…..Luke 22:24-26 - Gentiles exercise lordship over them; & they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. But ye shall not be so …….
Jesus STERNLY~ COMANDED that there would be NO assignment of leadership WHATSOEVER.../~~ claimS by the Church of ...ROME...contradict Jesus CHRIST Himself & HIS WORD….. EVERY WAY POSSIBLE
Peter was not the first bishop of Rome.~ never bishop of Rome. ~never a pope. This MAN MADE~ FAIRY TALE…. a catholic TRADITION….
Rome has yet to provide the proof. if PETER WERE BISHOP OF ROME, it would have been recorded ALL OVER Scripture - BUT it's not. Even hinted ..ONCE,,, in any way…..
In,,, 2Ti 4:21 PAUL GREETED THE { HISTORICALY RECORDED BISHOP OF ROME ... ~~…………………~L I and you S~~~NOT PETER
Paul wrote around 58 AD—supposedly 16 years….. after….. The R.C.C.. claims With no valid evidence …………………..Peter was there and founded the church!
. Rom. 1:11 which reads: I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end you may be established.
Peter spent 16 years there and the church is still not established!!... supposedly 16 years after The R.C.C.. claims With no valid evidence Peter was there
PEOPLE TRAVLED FROM ROME On the day of Pentecost TO Jerusalem… They went back to Rome and THEY started the church there. They met in homes or wherever they could.
No apostles had YET EVEN been there to establish them, Paul said, I long to teach you that you might be established.
Then Paul says in Romans 15:20-24: Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, WHERE Christ HAS NOT BEEN NAMED
Here, again, he points out the fact that he wanted to come, he tried to come, but so far he had been hindered from coming. Then he says He said it has been years that I have longed to come that I might establish you in the faith.
None of the apostles had been there. NOR HAS the real CHRIST { ANOINTING } BEEN YET NAMED, IN ROME….
WHEN IN ROME ……. Paul says " 'Only Luke is with me' (2 Timothy 4:11). This is conclusive.
Peter was married (Matthew 8:14), but the popes …..TRADITION….. are forbidden to marry.
THEY HAVE INVENTED THEIR OWN , MAN MADE TRTADITIONS…
2.PeTer 1:19 said We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place …. THE BIBLE, THE WORD OF GOD.
Peter warned of false teachers who would make merchandise of God's people (2 Peter 2:1-3), ROME HAS MADE merchandise of God's people
IN EVERY WAY you CAN IMAGINE..SPIRITUALY & PHYSICALY & EMOTIONALY
Peter had neither silver nor gold (Ac. 3:6Act 3:6 , Silver and gold have I NONE ), Mat 6:19 JESUS COMANDED "DONT Lay up for yourselves treasures upon earth.
But…………… TRADITIONALY ……the popes HAVE BILLIONS, solid gold Federal Reserve BankS; London & Zurich, Switzerland. & USA]
ROME TRADITIONALY …… possesses more riches in real estate, property, stocks and shares than any other single institution richest …..in ALL history
Peter refused men to bow down to him (Acts 10:25-26),
but the popes TRADITION………DEMAND WORSHIP, bowings, & DEMAND themselves treated as Gods.
A HUGE NAGATIVE VISION OF Peter or anyone having a throne, is IN THE BIBLE
but popes have two thrones--at St. Peter’s & Lateran Palace.
Peter DEMANDED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT that NO hierarchy, NO Lords over God's heritage” (1 Pe 5:1-4),
Popes TRADITION of ecclesiastical lordship over the churches, ARE TOTALLY AGAINST THE bible
Peter & the entire N.T. taught that the ONLY High priesthood IS of Jesus (1 Pe.2:9),
ROME TRADITION DEMANDS special priesthood OVER *and against CHRISTS WORD & PEOPLE.
Peter taught that Jesus Christ is the rock upon which the church is founded (1 Pe. 2:4-8), but the popes say that Peter was the rock.
Peter taught that Christ has “once suffered for sins” (1 Pe. 3:18), and “bare our sins in his own body on the tree” (1 Pe.2:24);
but the popes TRADITION …say that Christ is sacrificed & each mass TAKES CARE WHAT IS LACKING IN Jesus Christ …
Peter taught that believers have living hope of an inheritance reserved in heaven, and he is kept by the power of God (1 Pe.1:2-5);
but the popes TRADITION say that a believer can NEVER EVER know for sure that he has a home in heaven.
Peter taught that the believer is not to be a murderer, or a thief, or an evildoer, or a busybody in other men’s matters (1 Peter 4:15);
but the popes TRADITION have been all of these things. TO SEEK TO CONTROL OTHERS THROUGH WAR AND TORTURE AND MURDER ….and adding traditions they invent…
THE CATHOLIC CLAIMS…. Jesus founded our church first as he gave the obligation to St Peter to take care of His church. So Peter is our first pope. This is a lie
Peter is Never given ANY KEYS / or MORE special POWERS., Than any other KEYS / POWERS~ GIVEN TO ALL believers = in the ENTIRE BIBLE “;
JESUS ASKED…..PETER….WHO AM I…… ;;. “;.W H O….A M….I “; PETER ANSWERS…..The Christ ~ Son OF The Living GOD !
IN FACT in Mat 16:17 Jesus Christ ~~Blessed Simon Barjona saying… “ Flesh and blood hath not revealed it to U~, but my Father WHO is in heaven”
18 I say also TO you That you art PETROS, Greek 4074- ~/Petros~/ small piece of) rock;~
And upon THIS ..PETRA Greek 4073- petra (Huge mass of) rock~ (literally / figuratively ~I will build my church
Matthew DID NOT translate / PETER …. as petros both times: "You are petros and upon this petros I will build……
THE holy spirit,,who, ,Wrote & GAVE PROPHECY & INTERPERTATION…..TO the PRESERVED….. ENTIRE bible….DOES NOT…EVER ever ///….EVER .CALL….MEN….. ROCKS….on which HIS CHURCH is BUILT…
GOD / & CHRIST,,,SOLA….IS the ONLY SOLA foundation & SOLA ROCK on which the church is built…
IN fact Peter. Declared CLEARLY……..&. 1Pe 2:5 YOU ; ] AS WELL[ …. also, ARE Like LIVING stones, you are building up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, OFFERING up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
Here 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,…. HERE WRITING to strangers ./ CHRIST IANS / the Elect BELEIVERS…saying …“; YOU ; AS WELL [ …. also, ARE as LIVING stones. “; .JUST LIKE ME. “; also.. LIKEWISE “
;Building HIS spiritual….BODY. CHURCH
IN fact Jesus declared “” Mat 16:19 “; I will give to U.. { Peter} Keys TO the kingdom of heaven: . ] That=Greek kahee = That ] That whatsoever you bind on earth is BOUND in heaven: and whatsoever you will loose on earth is loosed in heaven.
AFTER THIS !...SUDDENLY HERE NOW…we find Jesus HAVING departed from Galilee, to Judaea beyond Jordan “; And great multitudes followed him
Here, now ! just Days later Jesus is NOW DECLARING to a whole (& great multitude in Mat../~\
2 WHOLE CHAPTERS DOWN….CH. 18 [[ not 16 “; days ago…now DAYS LATER… ]]
here THESE VERY, VERY, VERY SAME exact SAME KEYS “; Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven [ meaning’] 19 = That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing in MY NAME I will be in their MIDST…
.THESE..ARE THE KEYS…..[Jesus name * faith in Him ALONE,, SOLA … is these KEYS….
{ Catholics also claim…~ Quote 7. “””””And that the Scriptures are hard to understand and are easily distorted by private interpretation”””””
2 Pet 1:20-21, 3:16; Acts 8:31; Heb 5:12).
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
OK
ALL the Holy Spirit is saying is that…. the SCRIPTURE did not come by MAN MADE, private interpretation
AND THAT scripture did not come ………..by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
OK but…..AGAIN John declares 1Jn 2:26 THESE THINGS HAVE I WRITTEN unto you concerning them that seduce you.
In other words /……THESE things HAVE I WRITTEN about men ,…..TRYING to INTERJECT their SEDUCTIVE / non BIBLICAL….TRADITIONS
1Jn 2:27 THE ANOINTING which ye have received of him abideth in you,
and YE NEED NOT THAT ANY MAN TEACH YOU: but as THE SAME anointing TEACHETH you of ALL THINGS, and is truth……………………………..
Peter ( in the above passages ) Writing about coming to the first principles of the oracles of God; and of BELEIVERS have need of milk, and not of strong meat.…of the word THE BIBLE
PETER is not claiming the scriptures are impossible to understand.. but the OPPOSITE .
THE BEGENING . NEW and beginning BELEIVERS need to be taught the milk of the bible and come to the first principles of the oracles of God … THEN READ ON IN THE BIBLE beginning with the milk, and bread~~~ then move to the wine and meat of Gods .
He is the representative of Jesus Christ. Just as Christ assigned Peter (Rock) as the foundation of the church, the position has been passed down over the centuries. He has many titles, but the simple description is that he is the Shepard for his entire flock of 1.3 billion Catholics. We look to him for guidance. We do not consider him to be a God, Godlike, or a Demigod, simply the person who is best suited to interpret the right way to live and God's plan for us, therefore closest to God spiritually. Can the Pope Talk to God? sure, just as much as you an I can. I am sure he has a better connection though :) He is also the head of state for the City -State "Vatican City" which is actually a small nation surrounded by Rome
captainassassin clearly mamak is here just asking for someone to argue with him, hes also an idiot and is trying to intimidate you with his stupid words and mamak, so what if people dont like him or hate him im sure theres something in this world you hate a person, sterotype, style, rule, law, religion ect if we all loved the same thing wed live in a boring world everybody hates something, you included hating is normal its only not normal when you do it for attention or when you say hating is bad, when you yourself do it to
clearly mamak is here just asking for someone to argue with him
Oh, I know...
But you know what happens when stupid people try to argue with me. I do my best to make it entertaining for everyone else.
hes also an idiot and is trying to intimidate you with his stupid words
Hmmm... come to think of it... that DOES happen a lot. But what on Earth makes these people think that 'stupid words' could ever intimidate me?
I believe him to be the leader of my Church,the Catholic Church. Not everyone has to believe him to be his religious leader. No one has to convince you of his leadership but strangely enough many people look up to him from different religions and some people like captainassasin don't and that is fine. I am not Baptist but I look up to Billy Graham. I believe him to have be a true asset to this world.
ooohh yes
That's disgusting.
I'm a sinner because you said so.
No... you're a sinner because your RELIGION says so.
I still love you.
You never did to begin with. You're using the words 'love' and 'hate' far too casually.
My hateful little one. OOps I sinned again.
...let's add 'delusional' to your ever growing list of personal shortcomings. -__-
Joel Osteen has a sugar coated presentation of the Gospel that invites those who are not convicted to the Lord, to feel so good about what God will do for them, if they just look within themselves. I have never seen him talk about repentance from sin and asking forgiveness from our Holy God who will forgive and remember our sins no more when we are truly sincere about it.
According to Catholicism, he is infallible, and some consider him to be a vessel through which God speaks.
Like a living God, I guess. A living god who was intimidated by Hitler, and now needs a bullet-proof fishbowl car...
GO! Super Popemobile! GO!
captainassassin in right so if your not religiouse and dont beleive in god, or beleive in one of the thousands of other religions and gods then he wont matter at all to you its only people who beleive in that particular god that he matters to
interesting observation warmheart, I see him on TV sometimes, and am trying to think of when he talked about repenting or salvation. His sermons are great when he deals about personal dedication and motivation though. But good call.
I am not Baptist but I look up to Billy Graham. I believe him to have be a true asset to this world.
I'm not a 'Non-Denominational Evangelical' ...but I can appreciate Joel Osteen.
If you consider a conflicting opinion as being 'hateful' ...then you're just being 'hateful' yourself... and ignorant... and judgemental...
...sinner...
Good points, personally I dont trust religious denominations that are so powerful. Nothing against the Catholics, just the formality that bugs me I guess.
ooohh yes I'm a sinner because you said so. I still love you. My hateful little one. OOps I sinned again.
He is a high priest, but not The High Priest.
He is one of the leaders in The Church--the body of Christ.
Mock me if it makes you feel better. If you choose to be hateful then stew in your own soup.
http://www.catholicmissionleaflets.org/leafpope.htm
this may help.
haha, well keep up the good work captainassassin!