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ok so im doing a debate in my speech class... yup yup im a sofffmore yet and...I am a christian...so obviously im all for creation...
but...I just want to know what people think... hope no one is offended in any way... ^^^
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my questions:
1.which do you believe...creation or evolution?
2.why? what are your pros and cons?
3.a lot of details would be great! : ) God Bless...
sikashimmer here is the answer to you question I think..
In Job 40:15, the God mentions the Behemoth and said "which I made with thee." The description that follows describes a land dinosaur of some type. In Job 41:1 "God refers to the Leviathan, which describes a water dinosaur."
Job 40:15 "Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox."
Job 41:1 "Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down?"
Psalms 74:14 "Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness."
Psalms 104:26 "There go the ships: there is that leviathan, whom thou hast made to play therein."
Isaiah 27:1 "In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea."
The supposed mystery of the disappearance of the dinosaurs is no mystery to those who believe the Bible. Dinosaurs were created on the fifth day of Creation (Gen. 1:21) God created "great whales (sea monsters) and every living creature that moveth. He then created Adam and Eve on the sixth day. So clearly the Bible says that man lived with the dinosaurs.
Most of them were destroyed in the Great Flood of Noah's day. The reason that we find fossilized dinosaur bones in sedimentary rock is that the sediment was deposited by the Flood which rapidly buried many animals in the earth. Noah must have had baby dinosaurs on the ark with him because Job knew about dinosaurs and lived after the Flood. They escaped the Flood by being in the Ark, but because the Flood changed the whole climate and face of the earth they did not prosper as well after the Flood because the drastic change in the climatic of earth over and eventually died out. There are reports of men seeing dinosaurs after 800 AD! The same forces that killed the dinosaurs even today is continuing as species of animals because of climate change are still becoming extinct.
There are also frequent references to "dragons" in the early history of man. These dragons certainly look like dinosaurs and acted like them. There are even a few cave paintings which show dinosaur type animals drawn by cave men.
Nebuchadnezzar had a dragon named Sirrush carved in the Ishtar Gate in Babylon. In China, Japan dragons are revered and considered good luck. Ancient stories said that dragons laid eggs...and so do dinosaurs! Is it not interesting that these ancient people would state that dragons laid eggs. It has only be in the last century that fossilized dinosaur eggs have been discovered! There is the story of St. George who slayed a dragon and he lived between the years AD 250 and 300. The story says the people of the area fed the dragon two sheep a day to keep it from eating them. In the Congo in Africa when natives were shown pictures of a dinosaur they said they had seen them in the remote areas of the jungle and had a name for them.
Yes, dinosaurs once roamed the earth with men. Evolution teaches the earth is millions of years old and the dinosaurs did not live with man. This is totally false as it contradicts true science and the Bible.
This is a very brief explanation of the subject, but there are some good web sites you might like to visit which has articles on subject of Creation. Try:
Bible Truth Web Site: I have a Bible study on the first twelve chapters of the Book of Genesis. You can find it at http://bible-truth.org/biblesty.htm/gen1.htm .
Creation Research Society http://www.creationresearch.org/ Institute for Creation Research http://www.icr.org Answers in Genesis http://www.ChristianAnswers.net/aig/aighome.html Creation Evidences http://www.redbay.com/org/creation Creation Connection http://members.aol.com/dwr51055/Creation.html
The sad thing about today is that our schools are teaching evolution as a scientific fact when there is absolutely no evidence of evolution in the fossil record or anywhere else. True empirical science does not support evolution and today. Darwinism is being seriously questioned by many in the scientific community who are honest enough to admit it. However, there are those scientists who deny the existence of God and to them their religion is evolution. To deny the Creator and His creation they must conclude that the world happened totally by chance and therefore if there is no Creator God then they not responsible to Him. How sad to willingly blind one's self to the truth.
OK so I sent this to another topic so soem of this might not aply to you but some will help you great in your Debate
Ok so after reading many of the replies to the Question “Did humans evolve from ape or were Adam and eve the first people?” I have seen many answers that just didn’t make since and then I saw that many christens say things that don’t back up what we all believe in. many of you say “I believe in Creationism and the bible BUT you can never be sure!” That there is wrong if you REALLY believe in the bible you would know that is says it’s a blind faith meaning that even though you CAN NOT prove it you KNOW! That is it the only truth and there is nothing else. Because you see to have blind faith is like this... When the wind blows you can feel it and hear it but you CAN NOT see it well the christen faith is like that you Can’t see god but you can hear it and you can feel him every day so you know he’s there. Also I saw someone say that they believe in God but not Jesus?? This makes no sense since Jesus is God in the flesh form meaning Jesus is God so there for your saying you don’t believe in God Now for the guy who Said “Why the name Adam and Eve?” The bible was written by humans BUT they were inspired by god menaing god told them what to right that evry thing in the bible is Gods Word so if this si what you Believe then God named them. Ok so next I saw a guy say … Has anyone noticed that everyone who is on the Adam and Eve side of the discussion only say things like.. well I’ll give you a better answer One- There Is more evidence Proving that Creation is more possible then evolution, Two- If I were to ask you the question where did humans come from you would say Apes then if I said where did apes come form you would say water animals if I asked where they cam form you would say …blah blah blah eventually you would get to saying that everything is made form cells then atoms then… WAIT! What? NOTHING but if you were to research what you are talking about there is something called Black Matter witch scientist day can not been seen or felt or Measured or anything so… isn’t that what you say to us how can we believe in something that cant be seen or touched or you say this “Who created god?” that is the classic Question of a evolutionist because you don’t believe in Something being created out of nothing BUT where did this so called black matter come from?? Hah you can NOT answer that so were equal there.. Three- What you are saying is that when this BIG BANG happened that everything fell where it needed to and in perfect order to make LIFE? I mean… how likely is that? The only way you could make me believe this is if you took a piece of paper and wrote 1-100,000,000,000 on it and had each number on a different piece of paper and threw it up in the air and when you picked it up you got number picked up in the same order of 1-100,000,000,000 then maby I would think that for 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 little atoms lined up PERFECTLY to make this place called earth I mean that’s crazy to think that Four- you guys Picked apes as our ancestors Because Our DNA and there DNA is SO close that it most be that were Cusins BUT DID YOU KNOW that a whales DNA is only one away from Human so why didn’t they pick the whale?? Did you know more people believe in Creation over Evolution? I am willing to Re go over anything I have said and will agree that I am not perfect and may of messed up in this and will fix anything you point out please let em know what you think or if you have any Questions Just a 16 year old kid with a love for god and always wanting to share about him and let others see this never ending love and become a part of this and that god loves you and is waiting for you in his kingdom and is calling for you and can cure you of your sickness and of you hate and fear and sadness and anything that you have because god has a amazing love that I know is true and its my joy to offer him myself to use me to plant the seeds in your heart and that he can one day come and harvest you.
I follow the lines of evolution. to me it is not so much a problem with the history inside the bible, but a problem with what isn't in there. for centuries mankind in asia believed the world was flat, if a GOD created man- then wouldn't you think that he would have let someone in on that fact. a couple more. if we were all created in 'GODS' image- which form of man would that have been? cro mag? neandrethal? h0m0 erectus? which would be the correct image of god? last one if we were all created by a "god" why was christianity only in a small area of the world? if the native americans, and central american indians were created by this same 'GOD" wouldn't you have thought they would have been worshipping and following the same belief as the christians in the holy land? wouldn't they have recieved a copy of the ten commandments as well? if you look at history you find this is not the case. paganism ( which is a very broad- generalized term) was flourishing ALL OVER THE WORLD- non' christian ideas as the religion of the land. nature worship- ancestor worship, etc.
evolution makes sense to me.
Science is a religion. They have faith and belief that in time evidence will turn up to back up their faith in it. Unfortunately, the more science uncovers, the more it points to life being created not evolving. There is always that factor; crucial to their claims that science cannot explain to validate their stance. This factor always contradicts the laws and rules that science has established as essential for ‘good science’ and valid proof of anything. It is an unexplainable creative force that works outside the laws of physics. Creationists call it God or the Creator. Evolutionists call it Somehow or Time.
I believe in Creation. And I have included some links that may be of help to you, in gathering your information. God be with you during the debate.
Science & God
http://www.godandscience.org/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9feXeL-3XA (astrophysicist Bernard Haisch)
http://www.thegodtheory.com/ (astrophysicist Bernard Haisch)
http://home.planet.nl/~gkorthof/kortho24.htm (Professor Richard Swinburne)
http://www.geocities.com/worldview_3/mathprfcosmos.html
http://www.evolution-facts.org/
i'm not realy sure what you would call what i beileve in but i think that evelution is real, but god made it happen. he created the earth and through his creation he made evelution. i don't think that is impossible. god usses his creation in the bible to do things all the time. besides, don't you think that there has to be a creator for all the things in this world. what about time, do you think that all this could just be there? something had to create time and space, don't you think?
Haileybre: I beg to differ. I have done a lot of research in both fields and from a purely scientific standing it definitely shows more that creation is fact. No matter what part of the debate you want to look at, evolution falls way way short. In fact if you look at Punctuated Equilibrium which is the new theory or concept, after Evolution was disproven by the Cambrian Explosion, it is in fact Creation. It was just given a different name.
umm CREATION DUH. ok, so the first reply.. there were "dinosaurs before adam and eve" who made those dinosaurs? we all came from something? ok? so where did that something come from? who made that something? ... GOD DID. why? nobody knows. but whether you have strong or weak faith. you know. not only because it is logical. but because it is hardcore evidence. remember... SCIENCE IS JUST A THEORY, and mostly opinion. dont let all of it fool you. :]
I believe in evolution because it's a scientific fact. We understand a great deal about how populations have changed over time both on the physical and genetic level to adapt to their environments. We use that science now to make medicines and vaccines that have proven success.
Evolution does NOT tell us exactly how life began - just how it has changed over time to become what it is today. That's where most people go wrong in their thinking.
I beleive in creation...
eleni says "evolution is scientific fact" which... it's not... its a theory... not a "fact"
here's the deal... there is a huge different between faith and fact... people who believe in creation have a great deal of faith in God.. that's pretty much all that I rely on... my faith.
I believe in both... How do you know that a day to go isn't like 1000000 years to us? He could have created the animals and then slowly made them more complicated until he created the humans and the same thing with everything else.
FOr your question sikashimmer, I don't really know, but they all said that Dinosours came before Nabi Adam( and Eves!?). Nabi Adam lived more than 1000 years. Everything about the questions, no ideas, lol !
I'll fun mail you with enough information you can debate your science teacher and win hands down.
I believe that creationism is just a theory to fall back on instead of saying,"I dont know."
No. I'll instead choose to realize that poison is POISONOUS... and pick none of them...
So... a synonymous question could be:
"What is the point of pointless debate?"
I don do circular debates. My stand is with scientific evidence for creation
No...
I as always... was merely providing the CORRECT answer...
It's just another pointless debate that neither side can prove...
Evolution. Why was there Dinosaurs before ""Adam and Eve""?
if it freaking has evidence.. than why is it a theory???
captainassasssin:
Is that a concession? :-))
Good enough! Thanks for the conversation.
...yet another unprovable standpoint.
The difference is now I am debating
Pick your poison :-))