John 17.5 "para" (with), not "dia" (through). Jesus claimed the same glory of the Father as His own,
and since Jehovah had said that He will not give His inherent glory to another (Isa 42.9), the unity of
substance between Him (Jehovah) and Christ Jesus is undeniable: they are One.
Philippians 2.6 >>"Who, being in the form of God (greek: "uparcho": He, Jesus, existed as God from
ALL eternity, remaining or not ceasing to be God).
1 Tim 3.6: "God manifest in the flesh". (easy to understand isn't it?)
1 Cor 15.28: "...that God may be all in all.." (i.e., the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit will reign together
for eternity). [By the way, all three persons of the Trinity raised Jesus from the tomb. Jesus said He did
it, God the Father said He did it, and the Holy Spirit did it. that's to mean that the three persons are one God.
You gota look it up, & maybe the NWT won't cross ref them, but try with the KJV.]
Philippians 1.23, 2 Cor 5.8, John 12.26: Paul saying, "..to depart and be with Christ, which is far better".
Better than what? Human life. Paul wants to be with Christ. Is Christ still in the grave? (show verses?)
John 20.28, 1.1-5, 14, 1 Tim 3.16: Thomas, "...my LORD and my God" (did Jesus deny it? NO)
greek: "The Lord of me and the God of me"
John 8.58 with Exod 3.14 "I am". Rev 1.18:"I am He, 1.17:"I am the first and last",
Luke 22.70:"...ye say that I am." (never denied it).
Jesus did not say "I was", but "I am". By saying "I am", he claimed to be the Creator of the universe.
This does away with Rutherford and Russell's JW's teachings.
See also 1 John 5.20, Isa 9.6
Acts 20.28 "...which God He (Jehovah) purchased with His own blood"
That is, the blood in Jesus was the blood of God. Meaning Jesus, He is God.
Titus 2.13 "...the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ".
(there is or never has been a comma after "God". Look it up)
There are 417 "I am's" in the King James Bible, and God (Jesus) said them all.
"I AM" : is the tetragrammaton of the Jewish faith.
John 14.28: "...for my Father is greater then I".
This becomes the "proof text" of the "NO HELLERS" (JW's), for making "the Word" (John 1.1-2)
"A" god instead of "God".
No need to run to any Greek text, the statement is not a theological statement on the nature of
the Trinity. The speaker here (Jesus) is about to die as a human being--not as a member of the Trinity.
Don't forget, there are TWO natures of Jesus, just as a saved born again person has two natures,
the old man and the new man.
Hebrews 5.8-9 is the statement that shows WHY "the Father is greater" than his Son.
It all has to do with His EARTHLY life as a man.
The very idea of God the Father having to learn obedience because He wasn't "PERFECT".
The book of Hebrews is the death toll for that JW teachings.
The New World Translation: the Greek text they used for the NWT is found from
Griesbach's EMPHATIC DIAGLOTT, that is, from the grossly corrupt JESUIT RHEIMS'
(cat-holic) Greek text (B, Vaticanus MSS, 1209, found in a trash can in a monastery).
Rutherford, The Kingdom is at Hand, page 49: says that Jesus was Michael the Archangel in His
preexistent state (Wasn't Jesus created as a 2nd god? Make up your mind), and that Jesus had
a brother named Lucifer.
Did you all know that the Mormons have the same belief? Look it up in false doctrines (Mormons).
show verses for this idiot reasoning.
"The Kindom of the Cults", Martin, 1985, pg 39-125.
Maybe can these books can be read on line?
"Handbook of Today's Religions", McDowell, 1982, pg 44-63
1 faith is belief in something fornwhich their is no proof, just look in a dictionary
2the historical inaccuracies in the bible outweigh any perceived accuracy by about a ton for example the roman census ordered by Augustus which caused Joseph and Mary to travel to Bethlehem , no such census is known to have taken place even though records for the time are abundant, can you Imagine if the u s ordered a census in which the people had to travel to the state in which they were born to register? They didn't work like that each kingdom was responsible for collecting taxes and seeing that they got to roman officials also the picture they paint of pontus Pilate is vastly different from the one history does he was a notorious man know for instigating the jews hardly the man that would have acquiesced to the Pharisees and the thief crucified with Christ, stealing was not an offense punishable by crucifixion this was reserved for slaves and treason these are but a few examples
3 this statement makes no sense since there is no extra canonical evidence for the gospels so you have nothing to compare them to so to say they are accurate is misleading
4i am not aware of archeological science backing up anything in the bible so I cannot comment on this statement
5 if you think textual scholarship agrees with the bible then you must not know about textual criticism that says the bible has been added to and changed over the centuries this is made obvious by dr Bart ehrman in his book misquoting Jesus for instance the story of the adulterous woman is not found in canonical works until about the 4th century
6 I reiterate the bible has gone through changes besides the above example, authorship is not found in any of the gospels until about the middle ages this can be corroborated by looking at the gospels would any author anywhere sign his work in the first person "the gospel according to John"? Or more likely MY gospel of Jesus Christ, By John the bible of today bears little resemblance to the earliest manuscripts we have
7 same as above
8 I'm not aware. Of any history written ahead of it's time in the bible I would like examples I would point out that many things in the bible that it said would happen never did like the drying up of the river Nile
9 the book of Mormon is the second most fallacious book next to the bible
10 even if the gospels were written by the supposed gospel writers they were written around 60bc plenty of time for facts to be changed and forgotten because memory is malleable they were not written when these supposed events took place
And lastly here's a few tips to recognize a pagan god since you obviously can't they have winged messengers blood sacrifice impregnate virgins require baptism believe in the Eucharist lamb of god son of man make people in their image etc etc these are all pagan precepts that have been around since the dawn of civilization long before christianity
CHRISTIANS are commanded to "make disciples of people of all the nations," but this does not mean that they are to use pressure or convert others by force. Jesus' commission was to "tell good news to the meek ones," to "bind up the brokenhearted," to "comfort all the mourning ones." (Matthew 28:19; Isaiah 61:1, 2; Luke 4:18, 19) Jehovah's Witnesses seek to do this by declaring the good news from the Bible. Like the prophet Ezekiel of old, Jehovah's Witnesses today try to find those who "are sighing and groaning over all the detestable things that are being done."—Ezekiel 9:4.
The best-known way they use to find those who are distressed by present conditions is by going from house to house. Thus they make a positive effort to reach the public, just as Jesus did when "he went journeying from city to city and from village to village, preaching and declaring the good news of the kingdom of God." His early disciples did likewise. (Luke 8:1; 9:1-6; 10:1-9) Today, where it is possible, Jehovah's Witnesses endeavor to call at each home several times a year, seeking to converse with the householder for a few minutes on some local or world topic of interest or concern. A scripture or two may be offered for consideration, and if the householder shows interest, the Witness may arrange to call back at a convenient time for further discussion. Bibles and literature explaining the Bible are made available, and if the householder desires, a home Bible study is conducted free of charge. Millions of these helpful Bible studies are conducted regularly with individuals and families throughout the world.
Therefore, Jehovah's Witnesses try to recommend the good news to others in this way also: by being exemplary in the Christian conduct that they recommend to others. They try to 'do unto others as they would have others do unto them.' (Matthew 7:12) They try to be this way with all men, not just with fellow Witnesses, friends, neighbors, or relatives. Being imperfect, they do not always succeed 100 percent. But it is the desire of their hearts to do good unto all people not only in telling them the good news of the Kingdom but also in extending a helping hand whenever possible.—James 2:14-17.
We want to only help people and follow Jesus Christ as our example.
First things first Trinity.
“I and the Father are one,” said Jesus. (John 10:30) Some quote this text to prove that Jesus and his Father are two parts of a triune God. Is that what Jesus meant by this statement?
Let us take a look at the context. In verse 25, Jesus stated that he did works in the name of his Father. From verses 27 to 29, he talked about symbolic sheep whom his Father had given him. Both statements by Jesus would have made little sense to his listeners if he and his Father were one and the same person. Instead, Jesus said, in effect, ‘My Father and I are so close-knit that no one can take away the sheep from me, just as no one can take them away from my Father.’ It is much like a son saying to his father’s enemy, ‘If you attack my father, you attack me.’ No one would conclude that this son and his father were the same person. But all could perceive the strong bond of unity between them.
Jesus and his Father, Jehovah God, are also “one” in the sense that they are in complete agreement as to intentions, standards, and values. In contrast with Satan the Devil and the first human couple, Adam and Eve, Jesus never wanted to become independent of God. “The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing,” Jesus explained. “For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner.”—John 5:19; 14:10; 17:8.
This strong bond of unity, however, does not make God and his Son, Jesus, indistinguishable from each other. They are two individuals. Each one has his own distinct personality. Jesus has his own feelings, thoughts, experiences, and free will. Nevertheless, he chose to submit his will to that of his Father. According to Luke 22:42, Jesus said: “Let, not my will, but yours take place.” These words would have been meaningless if his will could not differ from his Father’s. If Jesus and his Father were really one person, why did Jesus pray to God and humbly admit to not knowing things that only his Father knew?—Matthew 24:36.
History began with Creation, thats where the Bible begins. The "babbling & pagan god & erroneous history" is only the opinion of ignorant (lack of knowledge) people. Do more research on your own instead of believing what your "authority figures" are telling you.
Why you can believe the Bible and since the Bible is true, then
you can believe in God,because the Bible speaks of Him existing.
This is based on the history of the King James 1611AV Bible.
Other versions (233 DIFFERENT versions on the market), ALL are proven
to be from corrupt MSS (manuscripts).
1. It doesn't demand blind faith. For faith to be of any value, it must be
based on facts, on reality.
2. Ancient history supports the Bible's accuracy.
3. The Gospels provide reliable accounts of Jesus.
4. Archaeology Science backs up Biblical accounts.
5. Textual scholarship confirms the Bible.
6. The Bible is true to it's original form because:
a. we have such a hugh number of MSS copies, over 24,000.
b. these copies agree with each other 99.5%.
c. the dates of these MSS are very close to dates of their originals.
7. The Bible's textual integrity is more certain than that of Plato's
writtings and Homer's Illad.
8. History written ahead of time is proof the Bible is not a product of man.
9. In contrast, the book of mormon: archaeology has repeatedly failed to
substantiate the book's claims of cities, persons,names or places mentioned.
10.From a historical and legal perpective, if enough eyewitnesses are alive when the
the facts are published, it's can be fairly well established the vaidity of a
secular event. (see 1 Cor 15.6)
11. Anthropology Science (study of humanity and
social cultures) confirms the Bible.
10 “‘As for any man of the house of Israel or some alien resident who is residing as an alien in YOUR midst who eats any sort of blood, I shall certainly set my face against the soul that is eating the blood, and I shall indeed cut him off from among his people. 11 For the soul of the flesh is in the blood, and I myself have put it upon the altar for YOU to make atonement for YOUR souls, because it is the blood that makes atonement by the soul [in it]. 12 That is why I have said to the sons of Israel: “No soul of YOU must eat blood and no alien resident who is residing as an alien in YOUR midst should eat blood.”
13 “‘As for any man of the sons of Israel or some alien resident who is residing as an alien in YOUR midst who in hunting catches a wild beast or a fowl that may be eaten, he must in that case pour its blood out and cover it with dust. 14 For the soul of every sort of flesh is its blood by the soul in it. Consequently I said to the sons of Israel: “YOU must not eat the blood of any sort of flesh, because the soul of every sort of flesh is its blood. Anyone eating it will be cut off.” 15 As for any soul that eats a body [already] dead or something torn by a wild beast, whether a native or an alien resident, he must in that case wash his garments and bathe in water and be unclean until the evening; and he must be clean. 16 But if he will not wash them and will not bathe his flesh, he must then answer for his error.’”
I mentioned the catholic encyclopedia because they are the one's who mainly teach about the trinity, its even clear their!
Jesus, in his prehuman existence, was "the first-born of all creation." (Colossians 1:15, NJB) He was "the beginning of God's creation." (Revelation 3:14, RS, Catholic edition). "Beginning" [Greek, ar·khe'] cannot rightly be interpreted to mean that Jesus was the 'beginner' of God's creation. In his Bible writings, John uses various forms of the Greek word ar·khe' more than 20 times, and these always have the common meaning of "beginning." Yes, Jesus was created by God as the beginning of God's invisible creations.
Notice how closely those references to the origin of Jesus correlate with expressions uttered by the figurative "Wisdom" in the Bible book of Proverbs: "Yahweh created me, first-fruits of his fashioning, before the oldest of his works. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills, I came to birth; before he had made the earth, the countryside, and the first elements of the world." (Proverbs 8:12, 22, 25, 26, NJB) While the term "Wisdom" is used to personify the one whom God created, most scholars agree that it is actually a figure of speech for Jesus as a spirit creature prior to his human existence.
Back in the days of Noah, an ancestor of all mankind, God laid down a remarkable law. While granting humans the right to eat the flesh of animals, he forbade them to consume the blood. (Genesis 9:4) He also gave them his reason, equating blood with the soul, or life, of the creature. He later said: “The soul [or life] is in the blood.” In the eyes of the Creator, blood is sacred. It represents the precious gift of life that each living soul possesses. God restated this principle again and again.—Leviticus 3:17; 17:10, 11, 14; Deuteronomy 12:16, 23.
Shortly after Christianity was founded some 2,000 years ago, believers were given the divine commandment to “abstain from . . . blood.” The prohibition was based, not on health concerns, but on the sacredness of blood. (Acts 15:19, 20, 29) Some argue that this God-given restriction applies only to the eating of blood, but the word “abstain” speaks for itself. If a doctor told us to abstain from alcohol, we would hardly feel at liberty to inject it into our veins.
Jehovah God is the Creator. (Revelation 4:11) He is without beginning or end, and he is almighty. (Psalm 90:2) Jesus, on the other hand, had a beginning. (Colossians 1:15, 16) Referring to God as his Father, Jesus said: “The Father is greater than I am.” (John 14:28) Jesus also explained that there were some things neither he nor the angels knew but that were known only by his Father.—Mark 13:32.
Moreover, Jesus prayed to his Father: “Let, not my will, but yours take place.” (Luke 22:42) To whom was Jesus praying if not to a superior Personage? Furthermore, it was God who resurrected Jesus from the dead, not Jesus himself. (Acts 2:32) Obviously, the Father and the Son were not equal before Jesus came to the earth or during his earthly life. What about after Jesus’ resurrection to heaven? First Corinthians 11:3 states: “The head of the Christ is God.” In fact, the Son will always be in subjection to God. (1 Corinthians 15:28) The Scriptures therefore show that Jesus is not God Almighty. Instead, he is God’s Son.
THE Bible was originally written in ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. So most people who desire to read it must rely on a translation.
Bible translations cover a broad spectrum of styles, but they fall into three basic categories. Interlinear translations are at one end of the spectrum. These translations contain the original-language text along with a word-for-word rendering into the target language.
Paraphrase translations fall at the other end of the spectrum. Translators of these versions freely restate the message of the Bible as they understand it in a way that they feel will appeal to their audience.
A third category embraces translations that endeavor to strike a balance between these two extremes. These versions of the Bible strive to convey the meaning and flavor of the original-language expressions while also making the text easy to read.
You can believe whatever you want, We do not change anything we preach to people with their own bible.
I've had Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, and various others come to my door.
I'm generally cordial but something always bothered about door-to-door proselytizers. They consider themselves to be missionaries and they consider me to be a heathen. Doesn't it seem a little insulting to anyone else that there are people who go around so sure they are right and I am evil and wrong that it is their duty to save me from myself?
You did not invite these people to your house so you have no obligation to hear them out or even to be polite or respectful. Any courtesy you show them is far more than they deserve.
One of the things that I don't like about JW's is their rabid hatred of Catholicism. They have left some material that was so virulently anti-Catholic that I have no patience for them; I criticize the RCC often but the conspiracy theories JW's promote are beyond the pale.
The Father, the Son (Jesus0 and the Holy Spirit each had part in the resurrection. Look them up, the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit each raised Jesus from the dead. (Of course, it may be different in your nwt, that reads the same as the niv, and all "modern bible" are from corrupt catholic MSS). Paul said "..grace of the Lord Jesus...and love of God...the communion of the Holy Spirit, be with you all" (sounds like a Trinity to most rational readers. Also look up the word "Godhead" in the NT, meaning "trinity".
As said before, the KJ 1611AV Bible says, you just denied Jesus and now don't have the Father God. People really need to study on their own and stop believing what "authority figures" tell them.
see 1 Tim 2.5, 3.16 "ONE GOD". see Matt 10.14, Mk 6.11 shake off dust and then go to 1 Cor 14.38.
Your use of njb & rs versions to try to prove a point shows the characteristics of all false belief systems.
Thats it, we are to answer twice and then leave you, I did more and can see your mind is fixed, and so is mine, but from the research and study of religious cults compared to Christianity, which is the rational choice.
You did not answer where it commanded about blood. You can't find it, cause it doesn't. It says "from which...ye shall do well".
Keep looking, compare all.
"Godhead" (Acts 17.29, Romans 1.20, Col 2.9) is the Biblical word for "Trinity". 2 Cor 13.14 mentions the Trinity. You say Jesus is another God begotten in eternity...the begotting took place when Jesus was born of Mary (Heb 1.6, John 1.1). [True Christians wouldn't look in a catholic encyclopedia for the time of day]. Didn't you look in the NT?
The "soul sleep" mentioned: read Genesis 50.3, 49.33, 35.18, 35.29 and tell us that is soul sleep.
RE: blood, show where it is commanded in the NT Acts 15.20, 15.29, 21.25 to abstain from idols, blood, strangled,...
WHILE the word "Trinity" is not found in the Bible,
The Encyclopedia of Religion admits: "Theologians today are in agreement that the Hebrew Bible does not contain a doctrine of the Trinity." And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: "The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the O[ld] T[estament]."
An examination of the Hebrew Scriptures themselves will bear out these comments. Thus, there is no clear teaching of a Trinity in the first 39 books of the Bible that make up the true canon of the inspired Hebrew Scriptures.
its not just Johovah's Witnesses
ive had american Mormons knock my door,a saviour in Mark 16:15 "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."
some people follow that, and people should respect the fact there preaching to people because they only want to spread what there religion is about.
these two old women,who are Johovah's witnesses,come out in the cold weather knock my door and i actually take the time to listen to them and what they have to say.
They believe in 2 Gods (John 1) in the NWT. They therefore do not believe in the Trinity as one God, but three persons.
The Trinity is 1x1x1=1God (Father,Son,Holy Spirit).
Man has 3 parts body,soul,spirit 1x1x1=1man.
The Bible says to not eat or drink blood (could get bad germs), the JW"s take that to mean no blood transfusions. There is a difference ya know? The JW's believe in "soul sleep" which is not in agreement with the Bible (see what Paul said for one). There's more, if ya want it.
I know very well how foolish the message of the cross sounds to those who are on the road to destruction. But we who are being saved recognize this message as the very power of God. As the Scriptures say, "I will destroy human wisdom and discard their most brilliant ideas." So where does this leave the philosophers, the scholars, and the world's brilliant debaters? God has made them all look foolish and has shown their wisdom to be useless nonsense.1 Cor 1:18-20
You think the bible a History book....my brother pray and ask God for understanding .....We don't go around preaching about ourselves; we preach Christ Jesus, the Lord. All we say about ourselves is that we are your servants because of what Jesus has done for us. For God, who said, "Let there be light in the darkness," has made us understand that this light is the brightness of the glory of God that is seen in the face of Jesus Christ. 2 corinthians 4:3-6
Their religion requires it of them. Its not a choice for them. That is why i ALWAYS make sure that i am polite to them and kindly explain that i have my own beliefs and i hope they have a nice day. People who are rude to them are ignorant imo. I've talked to some of the teens that come door to door and they dread it because of the way people treat them. Its fine to not want to talk to them or agree with them, but people should atleast be polite about it.
Cause they wanna take over the world!! O_0 Noooo!!!!!!
just kidding :)
maybe because the other religions are tired of knocking everyone's doors and some people just don't listen to them and close their doors, i don't care what religion they are i always listen to them ,but some other people just shut the door in front of them...
it's good to know bout all religions, at least a bit of them...
"...the life of the flesh is in the blood...", not "soul of the flesh...". The word "aliens", is not correct. What idiot "bibles" are you reading? Can't you decide yet? Research the issue of "which Bible". You dear friend, are not using the words of God (the true Bible). It doesn't say "commandment" does it.? OK, thats it, bug off. you're on your own. Didn't you read what I wrote above?
ESPO75, enclosed is a blond joke thats G-RATED and cute.
Concerning your statements above, more research and study is needed by you. Some "authority figure" has told you what he heard and it's BS.
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JW's are bringing a different gospel to people's doors, a gospel of works. The Bible says if "anyone" preaches a different gospel than Salvation by Grace, they gonna be in deep trouble.
As the catholics do, the JW's call their system "Christian", but do not follow Biblical doctrine, therefore: not Christian.
Part of their requirments is to knock on 755 doors.
As the mormon requirements, one is 2yrs missionary duty somewhere.
Our house is on the JW's list to by-pass, don't stop, king's X on this door, cause I have studied their cult beliefs and counter their so-called "christian doctrines".
I gota agree with espo75. There are 233 different version of the Bible on the market: all are corrupt, EXCEPT the King James AV1611 Holy Bible. Search King James Bible Page, King James Version, dianedew.com/jw false, bible believers.net/jws, type in jws false teachings.
I mainly think that its because they choose to, I think a cristian or a catholic could do that as well, they just choose not to? Also they dont only come and try to get you into their church, they also give you classes in the home.
you have just denied Jesus, the SON, as God. And by doing so, you have not the Father. Anyone that denies Jesus, that person is an antichrist. See 1 John 2.18-23. I didn't say it, The Bible did.
It's a known fact to all except jw's that the NWT and all 233 other versions are corrupt. If you would take time to research, you'd fine it out. Do you want some links and sources?
They also changed the bible in ways that changes meanings around and when children die because they were not allowed a blood transfusion they're called heroes and children of god
the Bible does not have "a message". It has the words of God in it. The Bible (KJ1611AV) is a history book, not a "religious book", but it does tell us how to stay out of hell.
"Part of their requirments is to knock on 755 doors."
lol. I have to say Heidi, I admire that you actually spent this much time trying to reason with Walter Wright.
That's not true, Mormons do it as well. I'm sure a few other crazy ass sects do it too. It's because they have an active missionary program. Damn crazy's.
Luk 21:15 for I will give you the right words and such wisdom that none of your opponents will be able to reply! lol....Heidi I agree with you
That What Jesus and his Discples Did:Mat 4:19 Jesus called out to them, "Come, be my disciples, and I will show you how to fish for people!"
It's not a history book most of it's history is erroneous it's filled with the babbling of people worshipping a pagan god
We don't change anything! All bibles have the same information but some have diffrent words but have the same meaning.
I agree Mandyloo, thrs no since in being rude just tell them ur not interested, wish them well and to have a good day
I agree they are nice people to talk to and also, if you don't want to talk with them don't answer your door.
thats what i do i always say that am catholic
lol i remember we used to hide from them
Please do some research on the nwt no biblical scholar endorses it as a good translation
If you have any other question regarding My religion you can funmail me.
No no they don't simple research online can prove that look it up
You don't have to offend me. Your a true christian right?? HA!
I think your the one who needs to do some research.
Sorry, didn't realize cult members have feelings
What did Jesus and the Disciples do?
say what? answer different way
What is a king's X exactly?
King's X: doesn't count