Do you believe that all atheists want to destroy religion? If so, why?
CONGRATULATING AN ATHEIST
Normally, when I meet an atheist, the first thing I like to do is to congratulate him and say, " My special congratulations to you", because most of the people who believe in God are doing blind belief - he is a Christian, because his father is a Christian; he is a Hindu, because his father is a Hindu; the majority of the people in the world are blindly following the religion of their fathers. An atheist, on the other hand, even though he may belong to a religious family, uses his intellect to deny the existence of God; what ever concept or qualities of God he may have learnt in his religion may not seem to be logical to him.
My Muslim brothers may question me, "Zakir, why are you congratulating an atheist?" The reason that I am congratulating an atheist is because he agrees with the first part of the Shahada I.e. the Islamic Creed, ‘La ilaaha’ - meaning ‘there is no God’. So half my job is already done; now the only part left is ‘il lallah’ I.e. ‘BUT ALLAH’ which I shall do Insha Allah. With others (who are not atheists) I have to first remove from their minds the wrong concept of God they may have and then put the correct concept of one true God.
LOGICAL CONCEPT OF GOD
My first question to the atheist will be: "What is the definition of God?" For a person to say there is no God, he should know what is the meaning of God. If I hold a book and say that ‘this is a pen’, for the opposite person to say, ‘it is not a pen’, he should know what is the definition of a pen, even if he does not know nor is able to recognise or identify the object I am holding in my hand. For him to say this is not a pen, he should at least know what a pen means. Similarly for an atheist to say ‘there is no God’, he should at least know the concept of God. His concept of God would be derived from the surroundings in which he lives. The god that a large number of people worship has got human qualities - therefore he does not believe in such a god. Similarly a Muslim too does not and should not believe in such false gods.
If a non-Muslim believes that Islam is a merciless religion with something to do with terrorism; a religion which does not give rights to women; a religion which contradicts science; in his limited sense that non-Muslim is correct to reject such Islam. The problem is he has a wrong picture of Islam. Even I reject such a false picture of Islam, but at the same time, it becomes my duty as a Muslim to present the correct picture of Islam to that non-Muslim I.e. Islam is a merciful religion, it gives equal rights to the women, it is not incompatible with logic, reason and science; if I present the correct facts about Islam, that non-Muslim may Inshallah accept Islam.
Similarly the atheist rejects the false gods and the duty of every Muslim is to present the correct concept of God which he shall Insha Allah not refuse. (You may refer to my article, ‘Concept of God in Islam’, for more details)
QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE
The methods of proving the existence of God with usage of the material provided in the ‘Concept of God in Islam’ to an atheist may satisfy some but not all. Many atheists demand a scientific proof for the existence of God. I agree that today is the age of science and technology. Let us use scientific knowledge to kill two birds with one stone, I.e. to prove the existence of God and simultaneously prove that the Qur’an is a revelation of God.
If a new object or a machine, which no one in the world has ever seen or heard of before, is shown to an atheist or any person and then a question is asked, " Who is the first person who will be able to provide details of the mechanism of this unknown object? After little bit of thinking, he will reply, ‘the creator of that object.’ Some may say ‘the producer’ while others may say ‘the manufacturer.’ What ever answer the person gives, keep it in your mind, the answer will always be either the creator, the producer, the manufacturer or some what of the same meaning, I.e. the person who has made it or created it. Don’t grapple with words, whatever answer he gives, the meaning will be same, therefore accept it.
SCIENTIFIC FACTS MENTIONED IN THE QUR’AN: for details on this subject please refer to my book, ‘THE QUR’AN AND MODERN SCIENCE – COMPATIBLE OR INCOMPATIBLE?
THEORY OF PROBABILITY
In mathematics there is a theory known as ‘Theory of Probability’. If you have two options, out of which one is right, and one is wrong, the chances that you will chose the right one is half, I.e. one out of the two will be correct. You have 50% chances of being correct. Similarly if you toss a coin the chances that your guess will be correct is 50% (1 out of 2) I.e. 1/2. If you toss a coin the second time, the chances that you will be correct in the second toss is again 50% I.e. half. But the chances that you will be correct in both the tosses is half multiplied by half (1/2 x 1/2) which is equal to 1/4 I.e. 50% of 50% which is equal to 25%. If you toss a coin the third time, chances that you will be correct all three times is (1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2) that is 1/8 or 50% of 50% of 50% that is 12½%.
A dice has got six sides. If you throw a dice and guess any number between 1 to 6, the chances that your guess will be correct is 1/6. If you throw the dice the second time, the chances that your guess will be correct in both the throws is (1/6 x 1/6) which is equal to 1/36. If you throw the dice the third time, the chances that all your three guesses are correct is (1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6) is equal to 1/216 that is less than 0.5 %.
Let us apply this theory of probability to the Qur’an, and assume that a person has guessed all the information that is mentioned in the Qur’an which was unknown at that time. Let us discuss the probability of all the guesses being simultaneously correct.
At the time when the Qur’an was revealed, people thought the world was flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It could be triangular, it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal, heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30 different options for the shape of the earth. The Qur’an rightly says it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being correct is 1/30.
The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The Qur’an rightly says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both the guesses I.e the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.
Further, the Qur’an also mentions every living thing is made of water. Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone, copper, aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, oil, water, cement, concrete, etc. The options are say about 10,000. The Qur’an rightly says that everything is made up of water. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/10,000 and the probability of all the three guesses I.e. the earth is spherical, light of moon is reflected light and everything is created from water being correct is 1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 = 1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%.
The Qur’an speaks about hundreds of things that were not known to men at the time of its revelation. Only in three options the result is .0017%. I leave it upto you, to work out the probability if all the hundreds of the unknown facts were guesses, the chances of all of them being correct guesses simultaneously and there being not a single wrong guess. It is beyond human capacity to make all correct guesses without a single mistake, which itself is sufficient to prove to a logical person that the origin of the Qur’an is Divine.
CREATOR IS THE AUTHOR OF THE QUR’AN
The only logical answer to the question as to who could have mentioned all these scientific facts 1400 years ago before they were discovered, is exactly the same answer initially given by the atheist or any person, to the question who will be the first person who will be able to tell the mechanism of the unknown object. It is the ‘CREATOR’, the producer, the Manufacturer of the whole universe and its contents. In the English language He is ‘God’, or more appropriate in the Arabic language, ‘ALLAH’.
QUR’AN IS A BOOK OF SIGNS AND NOT SCIENCE
Let me remind you that the Qur’an is not a book of Science, ‘S-C-I-E-N-C-E’ but a book of Signs ‘S-I-G-N-S’ I.e. a book of ayaats. The Qur’an contains more than 6,000 ayaats, I.e. ‘signs’, out of which more than a thousand speak about Science. I am not trying to prove that the Qur’an is the word of God using scientific knowledge as a yard stick because any yardstick is supposed to be more superior than what is being checked or verified. For us Muslims the Qur’an is the Furqan I.e. criteria to judge right from wrong and the ultimate yardstick which is more superior to scientific knowledge.
But for an educated man who is an atheist, scientific knowledge is the ultimate test which he believes in. We do know that science many a times takes ‘U’ turns, therefore I have restricted the examples only to scientific facts which have sufficient proof and evidence and not scientific theories based on assumptions. Using the ultimate yardstick of the atheist, I am trying to prove to him that the Qur’an is the word of God and it contains the scientific knowledge which is his yardstick which was discovered recently, while the Qur’an was revealed 1400 year ago. At the end of the discussion, we both come to the same conclusion that God though superior to science, is not incompatible with it.
SCIENCE IS ELIMINATING MODELS OF GOD BUT NOT GOD
Francis Bacon, the famous philosopher, has rightly said that a little knowledge of science makes man an atheist, but an in-depth study of science makes him a believer in God. Scientists today are eliminating models of God, but they are not eliminating God. If you translate this into Arabic, it is La illaha illal la, There is no god, (god with a small ‘g’ that is fake god) but God (with a capital ‘G’).
"Soon We will show them our signs in the (farthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things?"
I don't believe that "All" of anyone or anything is in agreement...on any particular topic, etc. However, I do believe that a certain number of Atheists, have set their mind to destroy anything and everything having to do with faith in the one true and living God. I believe we are in the middle of Satans last thrust... toward mankind... I believe that he is the one behind this, and it is an orchestrated effort on his part... to abolish the faith of the fathers... and America in particular, as the seat of truth... in the world...He is concentrating all his energy in doing this, and is making great strides in that direction, However... God always has the last say... and although he is always speaking, we may be getting ready to hear a lot more from him than we have been used to hearing. My ears are certainly open to what he has to say, and I am watching with my eyes, what he is doing... and experiencing in my body, what he is doing with me, as a person, as one part of the whole... so, it is very exciting days, to say the least, as one put it," It is the best of days, It is the worst of days"... and I believe that could be said of the days in which we live. We will never be what we once were, but, it is yet to be what we are going to be... And I know that God established this nation... that his hand is upon it, yet, it has not yet been established in which direction he is going to take this country. We wait... and we pray... and we belive... and we hope...
I support the right of anyone to follow their conscience so long as that by doing so they don't prevent other people from following theirs.
Thomas Jefferson sums up my sentiment on religion quite well:
"But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
I don't really care what other people believe so long as they don't force it on me. Those who want to legeslate their religious values into the law of the land I will oppose to my last breath though.
I will debate cosmology with believers but deep down atheists have little reason to proseltyze. There are religions that I can't help but admire. I've always been fond of the Baha'I faith and the Religious Society of Friends (Quakers). I like what they teach but I could never be one because the existance of a literal God just seems too unlikely to me. I read that after the awful Amish school shooting the Amish community realized that the family of the shooter must be hurting so they took up a collection for the shooter's family. Man that sort of love is hard core. Even a cynical old fart like myself can't help melting a little bit when I hear stories like that.
I do have a bit of a problem with organized relition because it seems to me the more organized a religion becomes the farther it strays from its ideals.
What is all this nonsense.
I'm atheist, and I'm not out to get anyone. Jee.. believe it or not, there actually are some atheists who respect people who are religious. My family is strongly Christian and I don't say anything. Sure, we throw around jokes sometimes, but who doesn't? I respect others' beliefs.
I keep my beliefs to myself, I don't EVER say to someone "There is no god, you're wrong" blah blah blah. We're not out to ruin anything for anyone. We just believe in something different than you (or, lack there of I guess I should say) Just like how I'm sure you wouldn't agree on everything a Muslim would have to say about Christianity. It's not really any different. And you can't complain about how we try and tell people what to believe, etc. Because to be completely honest with you... everyone I know that is atheist manages to keep their beliefs to themself. YET 99% of people I know who are religious.. have countlessly told me that I'm going to hell, that I need to believe in god or else I will be eternally punished. They push their religion on me, tell me that I will never be forgiven, that I've sinned the greatest sin, etc. I can't stand it. All I can do is stand there and TAKE IT because I don't like to start fights, and I refuse to start religious debates with people unless it can be done in a mature fashion.
I believe that organized religion is not what Jesus came to set up, at all... and that is what multitudes are rebelling against... and I am in agreement, up to a point... Not everything in religion is wrong, and the part that is, is what needs to be honed down... to the bare essentials.. so that we can go back to the basics ... to return to the way the apostles laid out for us, in other words , a way of life... something that you are, instead of something that you do, to sum it up, in a nut shell... Maybe all the sifting that is going on, is removing the chaff from the wheat... so that the multitudes can be fed... no one can benefit from the chaff.. it has no value... whatsoever... only as a fiber or a filler... no nutritional value in it... so... perhaps this is one of the things that Jesus is doing with his church, in the days in which we live... cleaning it up... removing the things that are not essential, and have no value, allowing for those things to remain that are pure, and holy and just and righteous, and essential.. to a healthy life in the spirit...we need not fear, whatever Satan plans... God says that the Gates of Hell, SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST HIS CHURCH... So... Praise God.. what ever happens... read the back of the book... WE WIN !!!
eleni, no. All (or even most) are not out to destroy religion. Atheists simply do not believe in any super - natural beings. They believe in most of the things that religious people believe in --- babies, nature, love, kindness, compassion, helpfulness, and so on. Individual atheists and religious people alike can also become bullheaded, mean, spiteful, or worse. As a society we should applaud the former and condemn the later, not because the person is an atheist, or christian, or muslim, or wiccan, or whatever, but rather because he / she strengthens or weakens humanity as a whole.
Sorry eleni, I guess I got sidetracked. I don't know what specifically triggered your question, but in my opinion atheists have a laissez-faire attitude towards religion as long as it stays outside of the US government workings (and by extension public schools).
**the church was the government. I must of missed that lesson in american history. The only time I know of in History that the church (Christian) and Govrnment were one was the dark ages. and the constitution starts out We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union not we the church. . . . it was created to protect the people not the church. Religion isn't even mentioned in the U.S. constitution. . . Now the bill of rights Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. It mentions religion. :)
atheists have a laissez-faire attitude towards religion as long as it stays outside of the US government workings (and by extension public schools).
And this is because they have mis -read or mis -interputed the meaning of the constitution, This country was founded on Christian values, and by men of complete faith in one true and living God, as creator and sustainer of all. The constitution was written to protect the church, not to protect government from the church, because at its conception, the church was the government. People of faith being the church, and being divinely protected and directed by God. What we now have is not much more than another heathen nation... Give it just a few more years... But, again... God always has the last say...
"No religion can survive without converts." Wrong again rnealw. A religion can survive without converts if its membership has a high birthrate compared to the number of apostates (lapsers). That is one (real) reason the Catholic church bans contraception. Jews actively discourage conversion, Quakers don't proselytise.
"When that happens religion will no longer serve any purpose." So you're saying the only purpose of religion is to promote its own survival. That's almost a definition of a meme.
Of course many (all?) good religious people will disagree with you. Some will say its purpose is to save souls (whatever that may mean), others to do good in the world. Neither depends on proselytisation/evangelism.
Nah, of course not. ALL of my friends are athiest and they don't even care about religion. They respect and acknowledge it, but they don't wander about shouting 'God ain't real' or anything. I don't understand why people get so upset about athiests. They aren't doing anything wrong. They aren't doing anything at all frankly. From my experience athiests are just too busy living their own live to be distracted by stuff like god. I suppose that is why most athiests actually respect religious people like Christians and Muslims and Jews ect. They actually take time out of their lives to believe in something, and from my and all my friends' points of view, that really is something special.
Rnealw seems to be arguing with simple mathematics. I don't have to provide a "credit" for the self-evident fact that a religion can survive if births + converts >= apostates + deaths unless rnealw can show some other way it can gain or lose members.
The book of Matthew is only applicable to christianity. There are many other religions. (Actually, Matt 28 19 is almost certainly interpolated later, being the only verse in the whole bible to mention the Trinity, which wasn't invented until christians came to believe that Jesus was divine and were challenged for breaking with Jewish monotheism. [1 John 5 7 was invented by Erasmus and is usually relegated to a footnote])
"Destroy" sounds pretty violent. Attempts to "destroy" religion, as in the USSR, have done more harm than good. And you certainly can't generalise about everyone at that excellent site RichardDawkins.net. Religion should wither away (or become more refined and stop making disprovable and disproved claims) as knowledge about the real world becomes more widely available.
Good old silverwings, at it again. There's more to the world than the US, and the writers of the US constitution were mainly deists who didn't believe in a personal god at all. What part of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" doesn't she understand?
rnealw: "atheist have set out to prove that no God or gods or any other higher power exist." Not only have we not set out to, we don't need to. The onus is on people who believe in things to prove that they DO exist, not anyone else to prove that they don't. That's why we have (or don't have) the Invisible Pink Unicorn, the china teapot orbiting the sun, and The Flying Spaghetti Monster (blessings to its noodly appendages). Do I have to prove they don't exist? No, just the same as we don't have to disprove God or gods or any other higher power. And you forgot to mention goddesses.
My family is strong christian, and there was a moment in my life when I was devoteing myself to thin air when I said "This cant be right..." Ask yourself this, are you the same religion as your parents? They have a very large influence on your thoughts.
Im an athiest, and honestly, I couldent care less if there was a good or not. I help people because I want to, and not because I dont want to get stuck in hell. And just so you know we get bashed a lot more then you guys, because you make up more then 3/4 of the world.
So no, were not boogey men after your religion.
From my experience, no. Only a few are really active in attacking freedom of religion in America. The same goes for those who would attempt to 'force' their particular beliefs on others. You cannot convert anyone with a sword. Some Muslims seem to adhere to such a method, but a change of heart, not fear of beheading is needed for true conversion. Oops.. a little off topic there. Nope, I know a few athiests.. they practice 'live and let live'. And this is the perfect country to practice that. Try that in Saudi Arabia. ;-)
OK on topic. . . Yes and no While Athiest seem to not care about other religions they are out to destroy Christianity This is about 90% or more correct in that most athiest Material is aimed directly at Biblical Christian beliefs.
That figure is incorrect...
Its the equivalent of ME saying that 90% of all Christians have distorted views, and use their religion as a control mechanism. Which may seem true from my perspective at times, but I know it isn't. Generalization is the mother of all f-ups...
rnealw: "And someone comes along and makes a statement like God doesn't exist. . . Now not only is the original question attacked but the Answers stating beliefs of the religion are attacked also. . . . this is an example of wanting to do away with religion and belief in God." You are confused. A statement about the (non)existence of God/dess/es says nothing about wanting to do away with religion. Fairies don't exist (most people agree, I hope you do) but hardly anyone wants to destroy fairy tales.
*** Not only have we not set out to, we don't need to.*** Many statements in this forum say otherwise. Religion is of Faith and when A person of faith makes a statement. like here. . http://www.funadvice.com/q/doesgodlove_me And someone comes along and makes a statement like God doesn't exist. . . Now not only is the original question attacked but the Answers stating beliefs of the religion are attacked also. . . . this is an example of wanting to do away with religion and belief in God.
NO!!! we don't want to destroy religion. Many of us simply don't understand how there can be a god. I have spent a long time searching for god, and I got no answer. I think that religion is like many things: good if you don't take it too far. religion teaches morals, and gives people something to live for. Unfortunately, some people who are religious go so far that they will kill their children to keep them from becoming atheists or marrying somebody of a different religion.
It is my understanding that Atheists are people who follow the evidence. They can use fossil records and animal behavior to back up their belief. When a Christian only uses Scripture to back up their belief it is unacceptable because it is the validity of the scriptures that is in question. They perceive this as being ignorant. It is the perceived ignorance that they want to destroy not necessarily the religion, unless the religion is causing the ignorance
*** Who is singling out a religion? I gave a specific valid example to back my statement.*** I was speaking of the Replys Given in General not Your alone. . . . when I'm replying to something you said it is usually quoted with *** in front of it. I haven't seen anyone mention Islam or Judaism or Hinduism or any other Religion. And I stand on the fact that atheist have set out to prove that no God or gods or any other higher power exist.
*** My first question to the atheist will be: "What is the definition of God?"
It's YOUR job to define that in a coherent manner. I am under no obligation to presume your definition is coherent until you let me analyze it. Until you do, I am perfectly justified in presuming that your definition is incoherent gobbeldygook just like that of som many other religions.
...but nice try at shifting the burden Mr. cut and paste.
sorry but this country was not founded on christianity, the native were here first aiight, we didnt need to be "founded"...but ANYWAYZ. im aithiast, and im out to get no one, I am very respectful of peoples beliefs, and as long as they arent knocking on my door, they can pray all they want. I just want out the message that you must be open to all religions, and not be a total a** if I dont believe in your god
This is a good example on singling out a Religion. . . . while The question says ALL RELIGION. . . Atheist have set out to prove that no God or gods or any other higher power exist. acknowledging any of the 3 makes them Angostic so they must disprove all in order to be true to themselves. So I think that they are out to enlighted all people to their truths which will distroy all Religion with time.
I would like to see the credits for your information Hugh. . . . . I'm not saying your wrong. . . . I'm not that rude, But I would like to see where your information comes from mine came from personal experiance. And the purpose of religion is to serve God and seek and save the lost. you can find that in the last chapter of of mathew verses 19 and 20.
My Dad is an athiest and I am a christian. He has no problem with that. Just because they don't believe doesn't mean that they want every religious person to stop believing. Of course they all don't want to destroy religion.
They wont because it's not achievable!
Hope this helps, message me if you want to chat about anything! x
You can always use Wikipedia to find additional info. Their section on 'Atheism' is fairly accurate, and elaborates on the different types.
While you're at it... you could review the various subcategories in the 'Agnosticism' section too. See if you can decide on which type of Agnostic suits ME best... just as a side quest.
I asked the question because I am an atheist and I've noticed that many people seem to think that we atheists want to eliminate religion from the world. I'm curious as to how many believe that and why they do.
I just noticed that I misspelled the word "atheist" in my question. How embarrassing!
hahaha omg. that was a dumb question.
-casual convo. "Do you believe in evil goblins?" [sp] "No!" [normal answer?]
-athiest "Do you believe in religion?" "No!"
it's just as simple as that to not believe it something.
I don't think atheists are out there to destroy all religion... sure you have your extremists but you'll always have that no matter the belief or lack there of.
I accept the fact that there is no way to prove or disprove God. So live and let live.
neal, you're right about the past 500 years part, but not the 20 years part. But for clarity I'll restate my intent. I'd be happy if religion were a purely private matter. It doesn't need to go away, it just needs to go behind closed doors.
I doubt it people ask them why they don't believe in anything & have to respound then again there are people out there who would but it's not just atheism religouns trying to destroy each other etc it all depends on the person
OK on topic. . . Yes and no While Athiest seem to not care about other religions they are out to destroy Christianity This is about 90% or more correct in that most athiest Material is aimed directly at Biblical Christian beliefs.
*** It doesn't need to go away, it just needs to go behind closed doors.
When that happens religion will no longer serve any purpose. . . .No religion can survive without converts. And the 20 years was a random figure. . .
You realize that a true Athiest would be out to get rid of all religion not just the Judaic religions. You know Buddism, Hinduism, wicca, neopaganism, and many many more. So I guess you think the other religions are ok.
And I stand on the fact that atheist have set out to prove that no God or gods or any other higher power exist.
That's incorrect. The implicit atheists (the real ones anyway), ultimately don't give a crap...
Oh, there's also a book called "Philosophy Of Religion" by William H. Davis.
It analyzes the process of thought when individuals ponder the existence of God. And how and why people draw their conclusions.
I'm an athiest but I''m not out to destroy any religion. I just don't believe in God. I don't mind other religions as long as they aren't stuffed down my throat. I actually admire some religions.
Noo.. not at all! Some atheists just generally don't believe in religion or god. Some atheists will respect other's beliefs, it doesn't at all mean that they are out to kill all religion.
*** I'd be happy if religion returned to being a private matter.
Actually I think it has been more private in the least 20 years than it was for the last 500 years before that.
Who is singling out a religion? I gave a specific valid example to back my statement.
I could have said it was because they believe religion causes ignorance.
In answer to the OP, no. Some of us even have religious spouses and children.
I'd be happy if religion returned to being a private matter.
Nice insight thex13xchild! Almost everyone prefers a world shaped to themselves, including secularists (atheist is too broad a category).
NAAA. . . that just the pacifist atheist. . . . The Radicals. . . ( The ones that think they know it all) on the other hand. . . . .
All the atheists on RichardDawkins (forum) do. They are fed up with [Abrahamic] religions and they're not going to take it anymore.
Atheist: noun: someone who denies the existence of god
Doesn't sound like someone who would be pro-religion.
So. . . . . Show me some Atheist material that is not aimed at disproving Biblical materials. . . Everything I've seen is.
no we arent out to destroy religon why talk down on us cause we dont belive in god and whatever else people can belive in
Some who denies the existance of god, isn't someone who is agianst religion...just against praying into the clouds.
the entire world. And thank you Captain I'll do that. . . .Anyother material you can point out just let me know.
I am out to get rid of religion.
I honestly believe the world will be a better place without such delusions.
course not! Im an atheist that doesnt mean Im trying to destroy religion I just dont want to follow a religion!
Everything I've seen is.
Are you simply referring to Atheists ON THIS SITE? Or the entire world?
STAY ON TOPIC PLEASE !!!
Do you believe that all atheists want to destroy religion? If so, why?<<
Well, I think it depends on if you're a Richard Dawkins militant or if you just think there is no God.
Sensei.. there you are again... God is real.. and I hope that you find that out one day, for yourself.
*** Try that in Saudi Arabia.
That's a scary thought.
Well, I don't like religion very much and I'm a Christian...
must agree with toadaly on this one.
no we do not
yes and no.
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