Why do I hate emo punk people??
I am a Goth who cannot establish claims of an advanced age, although you cannot disregard of the Elder Goths, as they provide the foundation of the culture due to their unwavering endurance, although 'foundation' is apparent, yet is unfortunately quite deficient irrespective of those who are willing to preserve of it. I became a Goth and modified my appearance merely 5 years ago, and I am quite content with this manner of being. It is assumed that discrimination against Goths is merely a trivial and humorous matter, although it is certainly not, and a genuine Goth would remain a Goth for the duration of his or her existence, and continue to maintain the appearance as well. I cannot possibly comprehend why it is that Goth is perceived of as some sort of personal choice, rather than a source of enlightenment and legitimate belief system that people are actually devoted to, and that Goths, on the condition that they wish to cease experiencing prejudice and intolerance, should simply revert to their previous beliefs and discard of their 'Gothdom,' despite the fact that Goth is similiar to a religion in numerous respects, and is definitely a valid culture, although unfortunately is not very well received by the Dominant Culture and is therefore perceived as something done in jest and insincerity a.k.a. a 'phase.' When Goths complain they are simply considered 'angsty' rather than possessing a legitimate purpose for experiencing such emotions in relation to the circumstances. Haven't the majority of non-Goths ever conceived of why it is that despite an unreasonable amount of discrimination that Goths confront daily they continue to espouse the beliefs and dress in black and apply 'unconventional' makeup?
I am cognizant of the fact that Goths are not of your kind. We do not adhere to identical or even similar values, yet we simply desire peace. We are a pacifistic community and therefore could never invoke this unjust treatment upon ourselves. My intention is not to convert you to my ways - I simply desire your patience in reading this. I wish to merit your company and walk amongst your kind without the lingering shame concerning who I am. I wish to accomplish what you accomplish, to simply arrive within a public location without being ridiculed. I myself possess numerous aspirations that I am unfortunately unable to achieve due to the conservative society declining my offers of contributing to civilization. Yet it is not I who shuns them in return, as certain Goths do, rather, I strive for the common good. I would not refrain from assisting others when my assistance is needed. I recognize morals and principals, and attempt to do what is ethical in any given situation. I may perceive of such matters in a manner which is contrasting to society, yet this desire is what all human beings share to a certain extent. It is inherent within us all, some more so than others.
I must request something of you and I shall remain grateful up to the interval of time by which I cease existing and perhaps beyond that. Distribute the information pertaining to Goth being a genuine culture. Endorse my attempts to produce increasing awareness of this matter which is significant to me. I am simply addressing what should have been addressed prior to when I myself had expressed it. There are numerous Goths of which are often prepared to address this matter although unfortunately do not. It is evident that Goths would prefer establishing the Gothic Culture, although to do this they must be willing to devote their time and effort into achieving it. Yet there is an utter lack of regard for such an important matter which indicates their lack of sincere devotion. I often succumb to a gradual condition of melancholy as I imagine the potential which is inherent within Goth that will never be recognized due to the so-called 'adherents' themselves contributing to the very death of Goth. It is as if Gothic people wish to be discriminated against, as they are not attempting to acquire rights or perhaps influence. This persecution complex is making them unsuccessful, and they must discard of it. Dedication of adherents is what will prove to be advantageous, and I am certain if Goths simply become more outspoken when pertaining to issues involving their culture and also remain committed there will be no concern of Goth ceasing to exist within the future.
The perception of Goth as some sort of social scene apparently does not do it justice. Goth is an anomaly of what it should be, as it is lacking foundation -- as I had mentioned previously. The 'Elder Goths' are often in their 20s, and it appears as though Goth is merely an extension of their youth that they are unwilling to abandon, which absolutely appalls me. The entire concept of 'youth subcultures' appalls me as well. If you integrate yourself into a culture or subculture for a purpose, why should a person's age automatically disqualify such a person from participating? Especially when there are millions of people involved worldwide rather than it being confined to a specific high school (which therefore WOULD meet the requirements essential to being considered an adolescent-oriented subculture). There is nothing specifically youth-oriented about Goth. Goths are not expected to experience antipathy towards 'preps' (who most often detest such a label and do not wish to be associated with it) and celebrate teen angst, as certain non-Goths would contend. The Gothic genre of music itself does not convey to others the inherent lack of maturity of the enthusiasts. Therefore it should be assumed that Goth is reserved for simply those who identify with it, irrespective of age.
Goth is certainly not exactly what would be considered a religion in precise terms, although it could DEFINITELY be referred to as a culture, belief system, and spiritual path. For the majority of Goths who do not place emphasis on committment, there are also quite a few who do, including myself, yet these are seldom acknowledged, which is simply awful. I am passionate as an adherent of this specific belief system, and therefore I rigidly advocate the addition of standards which permit no deviation. Therefore only the most devoted of adherents will possess the honor with which to proclaim themselves as adherents. Goths may be tolerant of others, although this is no reason to obnubilate what the term Goth is intended to refer to. After all, people are considered 'poseurs' anyhow, despite the lack of definitive standards, and as a result they should therefore be able to understand WHY others are referencing them in such a disparaging manner. The imposition of standards would eliminate confusion, although it would require the assistance of the indispensible members of the Gothic community, rather than the efforts of one person, and that is what would appear to be quite challenging, especially since Goths are distributed throughout the world, rather than within a distinct location, and also because Goths are individuals who are capable of making well-formulated decisions, implying that their ideas and my ideas may not come into accord. They may perhaps be utterly opposed to the mere consideration of Goth becoming established. This is what I am dreadful of.
I wish to establish a distinct unit within Goth. It shall be appreciated, and eventually Goth shall no longer be considered a 'scene' in entirety and shall acquire hate crime legislation within locations where it had not previously been conceived of. I am a genuine, sincere Gothic person and this will never change. I do not advocate Goths who modify themselves in favor of immersing themselves into a 'conservative' setting or obtaining employment. Corporate Goths could NEVER be regarded as Goths, in my opinion, for they lack the ability to fight resolutely for their legal rights and protection and would simply prefer what is less difficult, although can such people honestly examine themselves and infer that they are genuine? 'Corporate Goth' is a loathesome trend reserved for the weak, for those who are unwilling to endure what it is that the non-Goths, in their hostility, offer them. It merely provides a cop-out for those who are apparently not dedicated enough to occupy their time with protesting for rights which ensure that employment will be received eventually. These ideas which I have produced may appear to be radical in nature, although would not the adherents of a specific theology acknowledge the circumstances and strive vigorously against them? Goths are a marginalized culture, and there is no alternate manner of existing for them. Goth is apparently not some preposterous trend, replete with almost farcical lubrigiousity. And there ARE indeed an entire plethora of Goths exterior to the age bracket most frequently mentioned and should be revered for the commitment they have demonstrated without reserve, although unfortunately are regarded as 'immature' and it is almost inconceivable in the minds of the Others that one would maintain his or her position as a Goth beyond the age of 30, and those which do so are certainly regarded as being deficient in judgment.
I do not comprehend what it is that scenes provide for others in addition to a false, perhaps contrived, identity. You can most certainly imagine the sense of security a scene can offer, although what occurs for such individuals when it is that the scene expires due to excessive media exploitation or perhaps additional factors? Music scenes are quite susceptible to this, and therefore others should be cognizant of the fact that involvement practically guarantees the intrusion of the media upon their scene as corporations such as MTV are dedicated to attempting to locate what appeals to the 'trendy' variety and therefore shall eventually discover it. It is inevitable, and as a result one should merely engage him or her self into a scene if it is expected to be a temporary source of amusement for such a person. Although scenes are not necessarily particularly amusing due to elitism and persistent quarrelling. Attempting to contrive yourself in a manner which is exclusively intended to be distinct from the predominant current of thought is absurd. Avoiding what is mainstream deliberately is perceived of as 'cool' within scenes and as a result how ever could one regard others which are engaged within a scene as concerned with anything other than trivialities? The moment a scene receives a slight bit of interest from the media those supposed 'indispensible' members abandon the values which were essential to it and perhaps embrace the ideals of another.
I personally believe that Goths are a cultural minority which emphasizes pacifism, tolerance, introspection, spirituality, morality, intellectualism, aesthetics, individualism, creativity, high-brow culture, philosophy, as well as various beliefs, values, opinions, and ideas in response to such matters. Goths should often detest unreasonable social conventions to an intense degree, and should typically be characterized as indignant and engage in 'insubordinate' conduct rather than remain in accordance with standards of which are regarded as inconceivable to abide by, although it is evidently to prevent injustice on their behalf when supposed restrictions can easily be obnubilated with oppression. It is my form of Goth which shall continue to exist when this ludicrous social and music scene ceases. We are the minority, yet we shall function as preservers of an immortal culture. We must provide the foundation despite the fact that we do not appear to maintain influence. You must retain the fact that we are here, and we are dedicated and quite conservative (although not in relation to non-Gothic conservatives). When the youth are no longer engaged in Goth, it shall remain anyhow.
This is my vision of Goth - although there are many additional matters which require discussion pertaining to what exactly Goth is, and they shall certainly be addressed in due time. Goth is not an adolescent culture, at least, not the form I adhere to. Wikipedia does not even supply information pertaining to this unit, on the contrary, merely the unit I deviate from, although I am considering making revisions. For me, it is practically a religion, although I simply consider it a culture. The beliefs are not well established, yet certainly those within the notorious 'scene' are of a distinct unit to my obscure belief system, spiritual path, culture, and philosophy -- and it is indeed established to an extent which supersedes the form of Goth responsible for youthful identity-seeking practices.
Goths should certainly consider the prevaling standards of beauty within the predominant current of thought to be absolutely outrageous. As a result, there should be no 'ugly.' All body types should be accepted as well as other physical differences. Those who are simply a bit peculiar in their thought processes and, as a result, are regarded unfavorably, should also be permitted to seek refuge within the culture. Magazines such as Gothic Beauty had immediately repulsed me, as every model had adhered to identical standards of beauty as that of the mainstream, yet were simply alternative in their mode of dress. These magazines should be deliberately avoided by ALL Goths.
Sexuality should remain a topic of concern for Goths. Gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgendered people, those who practice BDSM as well as simply standard s*x...should continue to be accepted, which, in my opinion, Goths are doing quite well with.
In society, a darker mindset is discouraged, although Goths should understand that what is supposedly 'insane' behavior is actually the result of suppressed dark thoughts. Goths should assume that if darkness is expressed through art or poetry or there are simply more discussions regarding it, there will be no pent up rage or frustration which eventually results in destructive outbursts. This does not necessarily imply that Goths should merely concentrate on their darker nature, rather, they should simply emphasize it more, especially through aesthetics and creative pursuits, and Goths are continuing to maintain this as well. 'Darkness' itself is NOT contrary to morality, as it is simply an essential characteristic within us all which must be embraced. THAT is an accurate definition of a Gothic belief, I suppose.
I personally believe the more unconventional you appear to be, the more dedicated you are. Goth is certainly not about moderation, after all. Thick makeup, skulls, chains, spikes, piercings, and colored hair are, in my opinion, very beautiful as well as convey a willingness to be Gothic despite persecution and hardships. Conventional Goths should always remain quite 'extreme' in appearance and being this way shall also promote their self-expression, while moderation restricts it to merely being 'edgy,' and, if they are young, perhaps 'cool.' This is our cultural attire, and the aspects which shall most likely not be infultrated into society should be preserved, such as the makeup -- which far exceeds 'conventional' limits, and as a result will always be considered 'distasteful.'
Goth is NOT what it is that others are contriving into some contemporary adolescent-oriented trend. Goth is timeless, due to the fact that it emphasizes a classical, sophisticated manner of living. Victorianism and Romanticism are ardently embraced, as are animal rights and environmentalism in numerous instances. Self-advocacy within Goth should be requisite up to the interval of time of which we acquire influence, and the majority of countries recognize us as a cultural entity possessing authority. I implore upon you all to assist me in establishing the Gothic Culture as a genuine culture or perhaps spiritual path, rather than a diminishing adolescent trend.
I think the only Freakin reason you dont like them is just because you dont understand them. By the way they are totally different state of minds, But how would you like it if you were punk or Emo and people went around saying they hate you? No offense but its people like you that make us Emos go insane! We alreay have very serious emotional and deppression Problems but instead of trying to help us and understand us people like yourself go around talkin about us and hating us just because of the way we look or act. But fo you info. we cant help it! you know its people like you that judge us that make people commit sucicide,so I hope your happy for putting even more thoughts in our heads of commiting Suicide. So thanks and now I hope you will be able 2 understand us better!
Great. I truly cannot stand people like yourself. emo and punk for one are two things different stereptypes. I might sound rude and a bit out of line but people like yourself need to learn to stop hating people simply because they aren't like you. I think the reason that you might hate emo and punk is because you are jealous of all the attention they get. not good attention but attention nonetheless. whatever "group" you belong to doesn't get attention. so you're what they call a hater.
thats all I'm saying because people like yourself aren't open minded obviously and I am done wasting my time on a lost person like yourself
What kinda question is this? Seriously, grow up! Were I come from we call it alternative, simply because we stand out and that's it. Sure okay, some teckno freaks like to throw bottles after us while we're just minding our own buisness, but whatever.
The only reason why you might hate them, that I can think of, is that you're just jealous that you're too scared to be 'alternativ' yourself.
Don't hate other people just because they dress differentlig than you do, who knows, you might end up dating one at some point. Most of the guys I've been with was what you'd call preps after all so...
Because emos are just as lame as goths and punks and preps and jocks and any other of the numerous social categories commonly found at middle/ high school, because for some odd reason people go out of there way to fit in, but maybe even more so because they whine all the time, take everything for granted, and think that by shopping at Hot Topic and dressing the same they can rebel against the conformists they hate so much for all dressing the same or whatever. It's all a crock o' dookie. Why people don't just do what they want and (as cliche as it sounds) just be themselves is beyond me.
It's simple: if you don't like emo it's because you're not interested in their way of life or clothing or music. Or because you don't understand it.
But don't immediately think that because someone on the street looks emo, they cut their wrists and cry all the time and write poetry about how life sucks...etc. That would be stereotyping. And even if people do that, they need help because they're obviously finding life a bit difficult to cope with, or maybe they're just a little more in tune with their feelings.
I think all of you are huge d-bags who need to get a life. its pretty pathetic that all of you have spent so much time discussing certain "types" of people. We are all the same and frankly I think that all of you are a bunch of immature teenage posers who label themselves for the sake of labeling. when you grow up and venture off into the real world you will understand that nobody really gives a crap if your goth, emo, punk or whatever else you want to call yourselves. grow up already.
Goth, Metal, Punk, Emo, there are too many different types to name, similar yet very different. As is with races, different styles don't easily get allong, I am Metal all the way, my because is full emo, and is other because is punk, we can see how we are different, and we don't hate each other.
Point is, accept others opinions and feelings, and stop beeing a F(&*^ING RACIST!!!
by the way I was kidding what I wrote before. I dont understand what you people have against punks or I geuss even emo why we are all people and I dont see why people have problems , labels are stupid so when you say " why do I hate emo punk kids" your just being stupid.
and you no what UP THE PUNK
because you might be a preppy asshole.. but i don't know.
We just think differently and see the world on a different level and care for things.. and the way we dress is how you see your clothes.. whats normal for you might not be normal for us. Oh and btw.. emo is NOT punk. there's a difference.
because we are so much cooler!!!
and for some people on here, most emos are outgoing, not all, but most,
also, not all cut themselves. not all like dark clothes, not all have no friends.
steriotypes are dumb
but I like labels, as long as you understand them
you mean biased smartass10001, not racist...
anyway we can all hate whatever we want to... I'm not so much a fan of "emo" music.
And btw pezkez is right "Emo" is not "punk"... Sex Pistols? Ramones? God I bet Sid Vicious is rolling in his grave right now.
cuz you're a poser and you really want to wear girl pant down deep inside yourself
but you're to embarassed to do so and cuz you're mommy doesn't let you "dress" like you want to so you're taking it out on wat you truelly want to be
The only difference between them and you is that they dress and think differently. In the end you just have to think to yourself is it really worth giving a cr*p about what the hell they are doing and just get on with your life.
punk, emo? they're not the same dude
punks all about smashing the s*** out of people and banging your head to loud musik, chucking your ipod and getting a new one, and such. =] dont be a hater...
They are people who live in the darkness of their mind. Unable to escape to a reality that they left behind as they obsessed themselves with their pain. I, too, dislike them.
Because they are stupid and dramatic and think there lives are horrible even thoguh there just like everyone elses. you deserve a cookie, they should just drop dead.
Because they are stupid and dramatic and think there lives are horrible even thoguh there just like everyone elses. you deserve a cookie, they should just drop dead.
I always wondered that question because in my opinion, "preps" are more mean or well entirely speaking, the "populars" would be a more accurate describing word.
emos and punks are totaly separate cultures!
Do you really need to ask other people why you "hate" something? shouldn't you already know before you judge?
maybe becos you dont understand us, what is it you dont like? the make up? clothes? wat exactly is it and maybe i can help you understand us a bit better.
Are you that ignorant? (no offense). 'Emo' is a stereotype, and a type of music. why do you hate them? you should hate them just because they are emo..
you prob hate us because you cant understand us. mabe because your life to haappy and wonderful and yo cant see liife from our view. I don't know
why should you die?
for including the words punk and emo in the same sentence. never soil the name of a great genre by adding emo in to it.
Are we supposed to be able to answer that..?
Something you don't particulary like and why?
Probably because you're just jealous.. :)
I don't know sum pppl think emos and punks are 'p*ssy' versions of goths. apparently a lot of metalheads hate emos as well.
Basicly you are SHALLOW,VAIN THINK YOU ARE BETTER THAN PEOPLE all because they are not the same as you DARLIN` GO DIE!!!
First of all your probly a poser, there's no such thing as emo punk hahaha
Your either emo or punk
thats stupid. dont label people first of all and anyway, emos have feelings. ithats why i hang with them.
nothing makes anybody superior! i dont think i am superior to any other person, we are all equal people.
maybe cuz u dont understand r situation, or is it just cuz we look weird? ask yourself that question
Because you're a fag and can't accept differences.
And they're sexy.
Because you are a goth. Goth and emos are natural enemies. just like ants and termites.
Ask yourself this, "If the opposite of love is only indifference, then what is hate?"
My previous entry was intended for person that asked the question.............
let it be known that emo is in no way, shape, or form related to punk rock
Cause they don't talk much and/or are cuter than you XD
because everyone does!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wondering......What makes you superior ?
caue your wrong and gay the end.
Go Dezaray,I agree w/u