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Do anyone here believe that Jesus Christ truly is God in the flesh as His name Emmanuel literally interprets to in the Hebrew language?
If you believe in evolution you must believe that all things are evolving to a better life form, but the 2nd law of thermal dynamics theaches that all things from the moment of conception is dying. Therefore it can't evolve. If it takes billions or million of years according to evolutionist for things to evolve just how long and how many tries did it take for that first creature from the sea that had gills and no lungs to develope a system that allow it to leave its natural habitat (the water) and be able to walk upon the land. And why would it in the first place decide one day it wanted to walk upon water. Scientist today are more convinced that the earth isn't billions of years old but only thousands. The Bible is a book compiled over centuries that teaches the same concept. It is about a King and His Kingdom. Whether you choose to beileve or not God does exist I have experienced many wonders in my life which give evidence of His existance. By the way the difference between religion and Christianity is religion is based upon what you do to redeem yourself. Christianity is based upon a relationship with Jesus Christ. The only one who has risen from the dead. No other religion claims this. Jesus' tomb is the only one that's empty.
"since the church fathers" Who are the church fathers. Are you talking about the catholic priest? The apostles teachings and doctrines go back way before the catholic church even began.
I won't even try to prove Jesus' existance. I know he lives in my heart and life and there is no denying that.
I think that based on the 1st answers, you can conclude that there are "any" people here who believe that Jesus was/is/evershallbe God.
As for me I believe in:
"One God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things seen and unseen.
I believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten from the Father: God from God; light from light; true God from true God; begotten not made; one in being with the Father; through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation, he came down from heaven. By the power of the Holy Spirit, he was born of the virgin Mary and became man. For our sake, he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, suffered, died and was buried. On the 3rd day he rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord the giver of life who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son, he is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the prophets. I believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We acknoweldge one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come."
"justsearching" you have poor understanding of the Big Bang theory. It's far more complex to just be explained as something blowing up, and any one paragraph. I suggest the book by Simon Singh's called 'Big Bang: The most important scientific discovery of all time and why you need to know about it'
As for Jesus, there isn't even the sightest bit of evidence he existed. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows a man named Jesus. All documents about Jesus got written well after the life of the alleged Jesus from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. If you believe Jesus existed you have the same reason to believe Hercules existed or the book the Odyssey is true.
Since church fathers possessed the texts and determined what would appear in the Bible, there was plenty of opportunity and motive to change, modify, or create texts that might give more power to the chruch. The church was very powerful during that time and questioning them would result in death.
Alexander the Great, Augustus Caesar, Napoleon, Cleopatra. There is evidence, records, artifacts, writings, eyewitness accounts etc. for historical people, as for Jesus we have nothing. He just seems to be a religious character.
peacemaking, its obvious you don't know what you are talking about because I have been around before computers. They don't make medicine, if they did what did they do to make medicine before computers. If you knew anything about the Bible you would know that Science and the Bible go hand in hand. Let me ask you how did Christopher Columbus know that the world was round when everyone in his day thought the world was flat? Interesting that those idiots back then that wrote the Bible wrote that the earth was a circle Isiah 40:22. The Bible say that Holy men of God spake (or wrote) as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 2000 years ago is more acient than 1492. The Bible says in the book of Proverbs that "A merry (laughter) heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones. Science has proven when we laugh our bodies put off endorphines which is good for the heart. But people who have no joy or laughter in their life don't live as long because those endorphines which doeth the heart good aren't released. You are 19 and think you know it all. You have a long way to go.
@ justsearching Evolution is a scientific FACT. Which means it's true whether you can accept it or not. Creation is NOT the default. The second law of thermodynamics, pertains to entropy in a system as a whole. It doesn't prevent certain parts of an organization, thus making it possible. No scientist thinks the Earth is only thousands of years old, this can easily be disproven with carbon dating.
And how did fish evolve out of water, it's not as simple as making that decision, species(and evolution) make decisions that promote or insure their survival. 380mil yr/ago These certain Fish evolved their legs in the water, and aquired skills for getting oxygen in and out of water(during this period , the climate was increasingly hot) warm water retains less oxygen than cool water and some species would suffocate in the new enviorment in warmer areas. They didn't have much choice, they either died out or learned how to breathe air.
And as far as Jesus, I don't believe in God, so uhh.
God truly has a sense of humor by looking at these threads as we define who Jesus is!
"Will the real Jesus please stand up?", is not a question that some will want to see answered.
Sonblock is a good one, and most universities are secular. Wyoming in particular, yep, went there.
We truly have an "Idol in our personal peace and affluence" in this secularized humanistic world as Francis Schaeffer called it, God rest his prophetic soul!
There are many who don't care to take the blinders off and set them one to the left and the other to the right so we may see straight ahead, straight into the face of Christ Himself to walk that narrow path.
We studied Schaeffer and look...someone put him on youtube. "personal peace Schaeffer" gets you straight to a playing clip.
Sit back and choose this day whom you will serve.
To answer your question, Jesus is our savior and is the son of God. God lives, he helps us when we're in need, and so forth. In my religion, we have the godhead which is, Heavenly Father, son, Jesus Christ and the holy ghost as three separate individuals. We don't believe in the trinity like other churches that they think truly believe that Heavenly father and Jesus are all in one. This sounds like you might believe in evelution right? Anyway, Jesus created the earth with the direction of heavenly father so, I hope this helps. Good luck finding out more.
warmheart, why would an omnipotent self sufficient being desire anything at all, including our obedience?
I don't know of any loving fathers with zero tolerance policies who torture their children endlessly for the tiniest infractions, but are willing to forgive them as long as they believe in a sacrifice that happened thousands of years ago.
A good father never reject his children, no matter what they do. An ancient tyrant king demands absolute submission, but fathers don't.
nebula Evolution is a fact, explained by theory. A theory is an idea or thought, therefore making it just that a thought. A fact is explained by evidence there is none for evolution.
The people I read behind and get my information from are scientist. The Bible supports science. These scientist are creationalist. I challenge you to read the Fossil record or the Genesis record written by John Morris His scientific evidence for creation will disprove any evolutionist theory any day.
What do you do with first John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one"
And please if you can explain the name Emmanuel or Immanuel which translated in the Hebrew means God with us. Isiah prophisied about the comming savior telling that he would be born of a virgin and thou shalt call him Immamuel. Is 7:14
Just so you know I am not picking on you, I am just trying to reason with you.
Could you have possibly came up with a better analogy, lol And I'm sorry I don't know what you are reading justsearching but sounds like a bunch of rumours. And I noticed my mistake I meant dating methods, what they are I don't know. As for carbon dating it's a good estimate for whatever it's used for.
"As for evolution it is a theroy and that only."
Evolution is a fact, it's explained by theory.
And the Earth was formed after billions of years.
Sigh...just for obedience on our part, to remain in Him, because He first loved us. Before time, He knew your name before you were knit in your mother's womb.
Does your dad love you with agape love (that he would die for you)? Stand up for you, try to protect you from harm?
Dads are so precious to talk with us about our needs, wants, desires.
Anyone can be a father, but very few are dads.
carbon dating has been proven to be a very inaccurate way of dating. They tested a live muskrat and found it to be millions of years old. As for evolution it is a theroy and that only. There are Known missing links. They ones they try to use are generated. Bones missing and they fabricated them. The evidence is out there but people want to believe things that aren't true.
sk8, Son I have been studying it long before you even came into existance. My facts are straight. Yours on the other hand aren't even close.
The Bible says in First John 5:7 "There are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one". Jesus is God according to this verse
wow if your christain and you said no jesus isnt god then you cant call urself christains...The father, the son and the holy spirit...the trinity...that means that God, Jesus and the ghost of God are ONE in the same...to put it simplier...God is Jesus and Jesus is God...im not even christain (anymore) and I knew that...
And He is YHWH the Son and The Holy Spirit, all in One.
One thing I know for sure is that we all still need sunblock until He returns for His Church!
Put a cell of ANYTHING in a petri dish and watch it either dry up or multiply into...MOLD!
*** "Isiah prophisied about the comming savior telling that he would be born of a virgin"
I just noticed this. There is no OT prophecy involving a virgin birth. That's a mistranslation of the Hebrew word for 'young woman'.
haha evry1 is TOTALLY fuccing "just searching" in his scientific @$$ with the penis of truth! haha!...srry that was a bad example...but still you need to study before you argue with people and get ya facts straight homie!
acording to evolutionist they believe everything started with a bang. That takes more faith than believing in a creator. Everytime I see things blow up it creates disaster not order.
not really because there are too many religions to believe anything..also nothing just appears so where did jesus or god come from and where did they come from and so on...
...also a good end. Can you explain why an omnipotent god would require my service? Can you explain why a self sufficient god would even want it?
I choose to serve my family, friends, and neighbors. It's hard to imagine anyone in greater need who would also appreciate the service.
I'm wearing my sonblock already. You can buy it at any local university in the philosophy department.
Funadvice on your Feb 24 8:44am post...What about Augustin's writings in the early 500's AD?
ye I beleve that Jesus is god in his flesh! because im Christian: ) yup yup
"and he shall be called Emmanuel" OT ... "and you shall call him Jesus" NT
I think god is god and Jesus is just another prophet!
NO,he is one of the 124,000 messengers sent by GOD.
No supposedly he was the son but I doubt that too
ABSOLUTELY... POSITIVELY...NO DOUBT ABOUT IT...
Yes, many people here believe that but I don't.
Jesus Christ isnt god. GOD is God... I think?
Yes because Jesus is God in the flesh!:)
Yes - 'God with us'!
no he is not a God
Yes, defiinately !
yes w/out a doubt
YES YES YES:):)
Good start!
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