I've been in wicca for awhile, I was a agnostic, I was catholic, and I was christian...but with so many bibles out there...whats the truth? please help!
Well, it sounds like you're having a hard time making sense of things here. It's good that you are searching for the truth. You make mention of a couple different choices of religion or religious practices that obviously haven't worked to give you peace. The last point you made was of Christianity. Yes, there are many different "versions" of the bible and they are and were written to supposedly make things easier for the reader. In some cases I would suppose it were true but the bible I use is the New King James version. Why? Because it holds truer to the texts given. The King James is full of "thee's and thou's" and can be a bit hard to comprehend.
Okay, let's deal with the issue of truth for moment. Take your bible, if you have one, if not that's o.k. Look at John 14:6,Jesus said,"I am the way, the TRUTH, and the life. No one comes to the Father but through Me." Also, in 1John5:20," And we know that the Son of God has come and given us understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life."
Jeremiah 10:10," But the Lord is the true God; He is the living God and the everlasting King. At His wrath the earth will tremble. And the nations will not be able to abide His indignation." Even the religious elite of Jesus' day knew He was true. Matthew 22 verse 16," And they,(the Pharisees) sent their disciples to Him(Jesus).'Teacher we know that You are True, and teach the way of God in truth; nor do You care about anyone, for You do not regard the person of men.(does not show favoritism). Finally, when Jesus prayed for Himself in the garden before His arrest. John 17:3," And this is eternal life, that they may know the Father, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent."
There are many other places in the bible that declare God's word to be truth and how the only way to heaven is Jesus Christ, God's one and only Son. Seek Him with all your heart and He will reveal Himself to you. Read the bible yourself for it is truth.
Blessings to you.
The greatest evidence for the truth of our faith is Christianity itself. If God were not behind it, it would have no reason to last a few years beyond it's founder's ignominious death, as Gameliel (Acts 5:34-39). If it were a fraud, the disciples would have had no reason to embrace it, certainly not to the point of death. At any time in the next couple of hundred years, it could have been snuffed out by the Jews, or later by the Roman Empire. It survived. How? Because the faithful found, and continue to find, God through it.
As I see it, we find the Bible largely historical because it matches what else we know of history. That founds our faith in the (Catholic/Orthodox) Church, which looks back to those early days of the disciples and continues their tradition. That witness supports the other claims we make, which cannot be proved but only believed. But it is belief rooted in our experience and our memories as a community of faith.
As for your claim that truth is proved, not believed, even in logic the experts have proved that not all truth can be proved, and also that there are always the fundamental axioms that must be accepted in faith or nothing can be proved. Faith is always, for everybody, the basis of knowing of any kind, even if it is limited to faith in the coherence of logic.
But, beyond that, we do experience a common reality, and do have some sense of what is truth. Why else argue so hard for your particular interpretation of truth?
If you take what I say as disrespect, I am sorry... truly. I grew up christian, I have a minister for a father. He and I get along fine, we love to go sailing and talk about religion, politics, etc. The REASON we get along is that we discuss religion from neutral territory. His beliefs and mine are discussed from the standpoint that they are BELIEFS... not the TRUTH. You cannot have a civilized conversation with people of different faiths, if your entire standpoint is based on the idea that your beliefs are RIGHT.
You have to carefully structure and organize your thoughts BEFORE you brandish them to people who don't agree with you. You have to see the positives and negatives of others, and understand them; NOT cast them aside like their misled, misinformed, or simply WRONG.
I come from a standpoint that we cannot understand how or why our universe started, or will end. That we ultimately cannot make sense out of it all, because its all waaay over our heads. That our attempts to understand the universe are commendable, yet inevitably futile. That we will know nothing... until we BECOME nothing.
I do not fear death, but I also do not look forward to it. I have a definite idea of what is right and wrong; and am content living and making the best of life AS I LIVE IT.
But in the end, this is only my opinion...
Its not as severe when two CHRISTIANS have slightly different beliefs.
*sigh* ...and the 'Rapture' thing again??? Ok...
"(13) But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. (14) For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. (15) For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. (16) For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. (17) Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. (18) Therefore encourage one another with these words."
Uh huh... The word "Rapture" is... where???
Try the King James Verison.. it is the most accurate english translation. Read Acts 2:38- THen Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
You obviously have to live according to the Word of God everyday.. its not just a one time and youre done kind of thing.. but Acts 2:38 is the plan of salvation, the Truth.
John 3;16 is true.. whoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life..
So if you believe in him, you would do as it says in Acts 2:38... you would Repent (turn away from sin) Be Baptized (by submersion) in the name of JESUS CHRIST (not Father Son and Holy Spirit) for the remission (removal of sin) and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (Speaking in Tounges.)
People seem to think all you have to do is "Ask/Accept Jesus into their hearts"... please tell me the exact verse where it tells you to do that??
How do you know it isn't true? You believe it isn't true therefore you have faith that it isn't true. Besides wouldn't you want to err on the side of caution? Would it not make sense that even if there were no God, and I know there is, that a person believes anyways. We Christians might, and I say that cautiously,be wrong, but what if we are right? What if the bible really is true, then what? What if God really is who He said He is. It may be a crutch to some but who doesn't need something to believe in these days? For me, my Jesus has never and I mean NEVER let me down. I don't believe in coincidence. nor karma, as there have been times that I know that were it not for God's holy hand in my life I wouldn't be here right now. Human hands couldn't have done the things I needed. I guess we'll all see some day whether there is or isn't a God. If i'm wrong then I've lost nothing. But if there is then all is lost. I for one won't take that chance.
Don't be too concerned about which bible to read at this point in your life. There are many translations of the bible but they all basically contain the same information. First you should start attending a church. Go to different churches and find out which type of worship you like the best. This might change later on in your life anyway but you have to start somewhere. Different people prefer different types of worship services but they all worship the same God, that is if they are Christian churches. For example, my brother attends an Episcopal Church and I attend an Assembly of God Church but the services are entirely different in these two churches. It doesn't mean one of them is wrong, it's just a matter of preference. Pick out a church this Sunday and just "go". I'm 100% certain the people will make you feel welcome.
even if some people dont like to hear this just hear me out ...huuu...you would have to find the religion that started it all but sadly its not in any book and all who believed in it have died off and left it to be scattered to many different religions the first religion was not christian or catholic or in no relation hindu or rosecrution it was a religion founded by the first intelegent people who could form a religion and society/ way of life only until we find that will you and others really know the truth...its not that i dont believe in all religions its just that there was proof that some religions came befor others and we have to look back at that and try to find the real truth...
...sway my father?? Where'd that come from? And who said I was angry? Now you've truly got nothing relevant to say, so you've stooped to flailing away with random comments... typical. Once again, you being a Christian, defy your own God by passing judgement on others. If you had true confidence in what you believe, you wouldn't be arguing in the first place. You've begin to doubt your own point of view, so you've become malicious, and began to make personal attacks.
I suggest you should study the philosophical aspects of Christianity, instead of trying to prove your religion is right, to people who aren't listening.
Well, at least you know when to stop talking...
Faith comes by hearing. . . Romans 10:17 So if you hear and you don't have faith Nothing we can show or tell you will make you have it. . . Sorry.
I see statements of Faith and a discussion of 'Bible versions here and then you. . .
If you do not believe that is your right and we are willing to let you live with it, after all nothing we can say or do will change it. Correct? Now You Captain have the right to choose what you believe to be true. . . which is what can be seen. I will respect your right to what you believe. . . NOW STOP DISRESPECTING ME AND WHAT I BELIEVE. And Please don't disrespect anyones statement of Faith be it Christian , Muslim Budist or Pagan.
Dear captainassassin, the problem with this assertion is that in undercuts its own meaning. You obviously intend it to be true. But if there is no truth, then neither can it be true, nor can you believe anything to be true, and so all discourse becomes just meaningless noise.
I cannot go there. Thus, I remain firmly committed to the reality of truth. We may not be able to express it fully or well, but truth remains the truth. It is real and we see it reflected in every moment of our lives. Given that, it makes sense to ask if the Bible, or which Bible, is the truth, especially as Jesus himself claimed, "I am the way, the truth, and the life."
If you don't believe without seeing you never will. . . God proves Himself every moment of the day to those that believe, We see his hand in all that is good. As the good book says Faith comes by hearing. . . . Truth gave us proof 2000 years ago Thomas witnessed it and doubted. . Blessed are they that believe without seeing. . . And we are. History has more proof of Jesus Christ than julius cesar reality is He Was and is and will be. . . He knew you while you were in your mothers womb. . . .
So once again TRUTH WAS PROVEN
Many Bibles are very similar. That is, as long as they are translations rather than paraphrases. I find the New Revised Standard Version, the New Jerusalem, the New American Bible, among others to be good. The major differences are in the footnotes.
A more important question is which Church, since the company you keep will definitely affect your outlook and your interpretation of what the Bible says. I have to agree with fototag, although I must admit that I am very partial to the Catholics.
I was saved 22 years ago, and I cut my teeth, so to speak, on the King James Version, I love it to this day, I have since bought several diff. versions, New International Version, and New King James, and there are others, I would suggest keeping a KJV.. bible on hand, and referring to it, when in question. and ask at the bible book store which versions are widely accepted by Christians.. this should keep you safe... and great question !!! God bless...
I never said I wouldn't try to prove my point to others. . . . I just decided you were not worth arguing with Captain you are Taking out your anger because you can't sway your father on us and I will say no more nor shall I respond to you again I hand you a hollow victory.
Remember this If the Atheist are correct and God does not exist We have nothing to worry about after death. . . . But if he is wrong I'd rather be in my shoes. the end.
^ You know this is true, it has been proven. No one disagrees with it, no one has different theories on it. It doesn't matter what your religious preference is; Muslim, Christian, Druid, Jewish, Pagan, etc... They will ALL agree that we breathe air. Because its TRUE, and has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.
As I've said before, you cannot PROVE your choice of religion is right, you can only BELIEVE it to be right.
I place The Bible on similar grounds as Homer's Iliad; a text composed of historical events, blended with fantasy.
And I don't see how Christians dying for their faith, is any different from any other martyr.
Oh, and your last three paragraphs are acceptable, though worded differently, and are synonymous with what I've been saying this whole time...
I understand your need of a truth.
I do Scientology since long, and it really helps me
a lot, everyday and in every way.
Find a Scientology book and read it.
You might find interesting things in it.
In anyway, you deserve to find your truth, not somebody else's.
What is real, is what is real for you.
no one knows the truth.
its all what you believe
i personally believe in a lot of the buddhist beliefs,but i also pray to god from time to time.I also do some wiccan things,and/or witchcraft..
praying seems to work for me,but for some,it doesnt.
i guess its all what you believe in.
misserin - what about the thief on the cross - he had no baptism - he didn't speak in tongues - yet he that day went to Heaven, why ? - because he accepted that Jesus was indeed Lord into his heart - and Christ's response..."Today shalt thou dwell with Me... - what does this tell you ?
see here is an example of differances in Christian beliefs Amblessed believe in the Rapture and I do not and I do not choose to badger him over it so we continue to get along with out having to prove the other right or wrong. . . that's what it is to respect anothers beliefs.
You've been TRYING to prove your right this whole time, you've only just now realized that you CAN'T ...just like everyone else.
And I never said that I could prove you're wrong. I speak from a standpoint that NOBODY can prove or disprove the existence of God.
Joh 18:37 Then Pilate said to him, "So you are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say that I am a king. For this purpose I was born and for this purpose I have come into the world--to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice."
Well try something then. Ask God to prove Himself to you. Just be prepared that it won't be what you think. He may surprise you. He doesn't need to prove Himself to anyone, but you never know until you try. You know your heart and so does He. So ask.
Nobody said Jesus didn't exist, and you haven't proven anything. You're just spouting the same zealous nonsense as millions of other christians; who just believe what they're told without question, and without considering those you're talking to.
I as a Christian, would definetly say the Christian Bible. But of course, if you asked someone of a different religion, they would say their bible or holy book. I am telling you right now that the Bible is correct, the truth, and God's word.
all religions have a holy text of some sort and when studied, a common strand or idea exists in all of them. like the previous answer said, no one can tell you the truth because what you believe is solely up to you.
In any version check out John 3 : 16 - That, is the truth - a person either accepts or rejects Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savoir - simple but true, with 'eternal consequences'.
I wish you the best !!
captainassassin: I don't 'sugar-coat' either - I hope if the Rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18) occurs in your lifetime, you'll be big enough to come back on here and tell others who are left...'I was wrong'
Isn't it just FUN to have SEVERAL threads containing the SAME regurgitated rantings, falling on deaf ears, ultimately proving NOTHING? Right? FUN???
...pass me the Gas-X.
Captain your comments have been antagonistic . . . you need to learn to put a little compasion in your answers. . .
One question. . . what would it take to prove truth?
You failed to address this Captain,
"Give me an example of evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt. . . "
If you want to talk about the rapture Start an other question.
Give me an example of evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt. . .
And about that suger coating, You will get farther in life with it. Women will like you more with it.
ok then I'm not going to try to prove to you it is right. . . but you have no proof we are wrong.
There's no 'reality' of truth when your 'truth' cannot be proven, only believed to be true...
Oh, and compassion?
You've read my profile, you know I don't 'sugar-coat' anything.
There is no truth, only what YOU believe to be the truth...
Once again... *sigh*
Truths are PROVEN, not believed.
Evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Don't blame me I took Gas X. . . . .
The truth is in the gas chamber !
Here we go again.
We breathe air