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If you say its a sin I am christian and trying ti kick of the habit If its a sin Where is it stated in the bible
It doesn't. But religious groups stretch some individual verses (not even in-context passages) to try to say that it is. Even then the Bible doesn't say much. But try not to offend others who might think otherwise and use some common sense; just b/c something isn't 100% wrong doesn't mean you should go crazy-obsessive on it. Read through the apostles' letters (or try an online Bible search) for good info on not offending others. Check out the part where it's okay to eat meat sacrificed to pagan idols b/c false gods don't exist, but that you should be discreet. And multiple other passages saying you should seek to do the most good you can do, not seeing how much you absolutely cannot do and then doing everything you can get away with. There are other passages that say to not let bodily desires overtake you, and therefore you should get married and satisfy them already!
Avoidance is never given as an answer in the Bible, only proper satisfaction. So IMO the church is doing a horrible thing here that only crushes people's self-esteem and wastes their time/attention when they become obsessed over "struggling" with it, with much difficulty no doubt. Then they ignore, gloss-over or redefine in hazy, hard-to-follow terms things given 1000 times more attention in the Bible, even expressly stated as what's most important. Just like the Pharisees Jesus condemned as the worst of the worst, who both focused on minor requirements and expanded on these to invent additional requirements but ignored the important things. Many additional requirements even violated the important ones. Yeah, such hypocrites don't actually have anything to do with God at all, except for a nose hair on the surface.
Fortunately some churches will at least admit that the Bible doesn't address masturbation. AFAIK there's one and only one verse saying a married guy shouldn't look at other women with deep lust, I.e. - as it seems from context - wanting to nail her instead, and oh boy does the church expand excessively on that.
If you are not married, masturbation is NOT adultery. But to blow your mind Jesus said " but the cost of a woman is but a loaf of bread." He was speaking about now lusting after another woman when a prostitute only cost a loaf of bread. Remember that women were property in the first century ... either a wife or a daughter but still property of another man. The comment of lusting after another man's wife .. is a property rights issue and it is a sin to covet another's property since one is likely to act out upon those thoughts.
Being single and trying not to fornicate is pure torture. I am sure God as man (jesus) would understand this to be true. So masturbation .. just clean up afterwards. Porn ... really guys watch the series "Rome" on showtime. In the first century Pagan pictures of nudity were everywhere! Find one spot in the bible were it says "look not at naked pictures" .. trust me you will not find it ... anywhere!! I have looked for five years! Especially after I found that first bombshell!!! So soft core I think is ok as long as one is distant about it. Used not to act out in a more personal way. Hard core ... not so sure about... since that is directed lust. But still in reference to the first century ... images like that were EVERYWHERE!!! Study your history AND your bible .. one helps with the other!
Porn fuels the mind into fantasy. Fantasy can become reality when one puts feet to it. Porn for the unmarried creates many lusts and unnatural affections. Porn for the married creates unhealthy sexual thoughts about other women. This is adultery of the heart whether or not it's actually carried out. The sin is in the exposure of another person's naked body and the resulting lusts + wantonness it brings about in our already fallen natures.
Porn burns images into ones mind that resurface later and can lead to alienation if one is shy or sex crimes if one is psychotic and sexually fueled. Women and men are not sex objects, but God's grandest creation! People have sought to justify pornography thru the ages, yet the reaping of it's destruction is undeniable = divorce/adultery of the heart & actual adultery/broken homes/heartache/pains/diseases/twisted marriages/threesomes/orgies which all = emptiness.
Only a personal relationship with God thru His Son Jesus can fulfill you. That's why we were created...to know and love the God who loved us 1st! All other pursuits of life are ultimately vanity and chasing the wind!
"There's a gaping hole in that plot also... lust is a primal and biological process. You CANNOT be sexually aroused without it, you CANNOT have sex without it. Lust is ESSENTIAL. The mechanics of sex and sexuality DO NOT change when you get married, the same kind of stimulation is required, along with all the same biological and chemical processes. Which means married people are JUST as guilty of lust as unmarried people."
Simply put, lust is essential indeed...dude! It's part of each and every one of us!! If you ask me to tell you of a person who doesn't feel lust, I'll conclude you lack a serious amount of knowledge. But giving in to lust and desire...when you can control both, what for? Oh yeah...because it feels great.
"...only the weak-minded... masturbating isn't the same as a masturbating ADDICTION."
**Only the weak-minded eh...right. After all, it doesn't concern you if the "weak-minded" starts masturbating and becomes an addict. * shrugs ***
Oi, Religion: a man made excuse to describe the indescribable. Its not a sin, people see it to be impure and sick, therefore society labled it as something thats wrong. It is in fact a neccessary part of life. Not only that, its more natural then that bible garbage. Which by the way was made be men. Goat herders in arabia. Possibly the place we war in right now. Always question your sources and never be a sheep.
I can go on and on about how its the biggest man made bullshit excuse, but It most likely wouldn't solve anything.
Simply put: adultery = sex with another women, This is void if 1. You don't have a woman to cheat on. 2. You're not even having sex. You are allowed to think what you wish, if its a bit dirty from time to time, its fine, YOUR HUMAN, its what we do, otherwise we would adapt and not do it if we weren't supposed to.
/end rant
go to youtube and put in george carlin. become enlightened.
"Only a personal relationship with God thru His Son Jesus can fulfill you. That's why we were created...to know and love the God who loved us 1st! All other pursuits of life are ultimately vanity and chasing the wind!"
Anyone who truly believes that only a relationship with God thru Jesus can bring fulfilment is brainwashed and closed-minded. I feel sorry for you people. If that was the case then why were mankind made to fall in love with each other? Would a God really make an endless pool of people solely for the purpose of loving him? If so then he sounds like a self-rightious being and very insecure. I would hazzard a guess that those of you with the same opinion as infoholic are also insecure and perhaps that's why you search for approval in the first place.
btw... my fiance is a born again christian who attends church and bible study most days of the week and he masturbates on a regular basis.
Even if you're not married, if you lust after someone it is the same as commiting adultery, according to the Bible
WRONG. It doesn't say that... you're reading it out of context.
and I do recall reading in the bible that giving in to one's own lust and desires is a sin.
There's a gaping hole in that plot also... lust is a primal and biological process. You CANNOT be sexually aroused without it, you CANNOT have sex without it. Lust is ESSENTIAL. The mechanics of sex and sexuality DO NOT change when you get married, the same kind of stimulation is required, along with all the same biological and chemical processes. Which means married people are JUST as guilty of lust as unmarried people.
It won't damage your body and anything, but it will make you slave to your own desires.
...only the weak-minded... masturbating isn't the same as a masturbating ADDICTION.
Please, enough moral relativism! Does this practice bring you closer to God? Wiil it strengthen your relationship with loved ones? Christ said when you look upon a woman in lust, you have committed adultery in your heart. The Lord loves you and wants you to find the ways he has prepared for you to find happiness in, and porn/masturbation is not it. Oh, and a note on the health issue. There is nothing wrong with not masturbating. God made you body so that before anything would get damaged your body will either expell without stimulation (often in a form of a wet dream, yes I know it sounds wierd, but it does happen) or it will just be reabsorbed back into the body. The more you stimulate it though, the more it will naturally produce, which then would be healthy in a relationship of marriage. Good luck to you
For a male, not masturbating can actually be unhealthy if you are not sexually active in some way. Since your sperm were not all there at birth and are created, you have to have a place to put them. Porn is another thing altogether. If you have a serious girlfriend, or whatnot, then she probably wouldn't appreciate you jacking off to other girls, even sluts that you don't know who are on internet porn. If you don't have a serious lady friend, sometimes porn is an easy way to get it up, so to say. As for it being in the bible, the bible insinuates that thinking anything unpure is a sin, therefore thinking any sexual thoughts is a sin. But guess what, everyone sins. You could try to masturbate without thinking anything sexual...but it would happen. I really don't think its that big of a deal, honestly.
Yes, lusts are already there as you have a sin nature within. You are born in sin and shaped in it too. Lusts of various kinds can be brought to ones mind as they are exposed to pornographic images that one hasn't seen before.
Unnatural affections is the desire to view someone as a sex object...only fit to gratify ones selfish sexual desires.
Pornography is derived from ones sinful heart and it is viewed by those who allow that same sin to influence & control them.
Lastly, whether one makes the bad choice to view pornography or not, does not negate the fact that one still has a sin nature within that needs to be reckoned as dead everyday so as to minimize its influence. The God the Holy Spirit is the final component needed to help one overcome sin within and without.
[Matthew 5:27-28] By the way, this is not talking about your wife. It clearly goes back to the old testement where it says, Thou shalt not commit adultery, showing that it was talking about someone other then your wife as adultery is having mariatal affairs outside of with your spouse.
You're reading out of context, and seem to be confusing the issue... that passage is being addressed to MARRIED people. Adultery involves 1 or more persons who are married. Which means...
If you are married, and you have relations with ANYONE other than your spouse, that's ADULTERY.
If you are NOT married, and you have relations with ANYONE who IS married, that's ADULTERY.
If you are NOT married, and you have relations with ANYONE who is NOT married, that's NOT adultery.
**Adultery is the sex between 1 or 2 married persons, not married to each other, while fornication is two unmarried persons, and isnt mentioned in the bible. **
Sorry to be blunt, but it does mention is in the Bible. Read the following: Matthew 5:27-28 27Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
By the way, this is not talking about your wife. It clearly goes back to the old testement where it says, "Thou shalt not commit adultery," showing that it was talking about someone other then your wife as adultery is having mariatal affairs outside of with your spouse.
Lust is inevitable when you watch a porn or when you masturbate. The Bible clearly says that lusting is adultery which is a sin.
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Exo 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
If we commit adultry we will be destroyed as this verse teaches us.
Pro 6:32 But whoso committeth adultery with a woman lacketh understanding: he that doeth it destroyeth his own soul.
So porn is definitely a sin. As far as masturbation is concerned if you lust during the process then that too becomes a sin.
its a friggen sin to be proud of your kids doing something awesome! f*ck that! I am proud of the fact that I masterbate! im not a frustrated pude that looks all serious when someone slips a dirty joke in, I cant stand what all of these religious pricks have put into our babies heads...self gratification is beautiful...reading harry potter is like masterbation for your mind! oooh smite me! ehh you can do without porn, or make your own when the time is right. dont worry yourself with going to hell...youre either a good person or a bad person...gettin sticky fingers doesnt make you bad...maybe naughty, but seriously not bad!
the thing is that I don't think that it is clearly stated in the bible:( however, in my opinion as a christians believing in god I understand that I am suporse to know that when I do things that re bad I unmake my relationship with god rather than making it a positive and stronger relation ship:) anyway, if you think about it careful there is nothing good that you gain from doing this things rather than a negative & confusion mind:( by the way that is what I think & do feel free 2 say what you think:) more than that, I wish you the very best with you re progresion withn this matter & STAT BLESSED:):D
Porn for the unmarried creates many lusts and unnatural affections.
Those lusts aren't created, they already exist. And whatever 'unnatural affections' you speak of, they too already existed before they were photographed and/or filmed.
Porn burns images into ones mind that resurface later and can lead to alienation if one is shy or sex crimes if one is psychotic and sexually fueled.
You can't blame pornography for a person's bad choices.
"""The Lord loves you and wants you to find the ways he has prepared for you to find happiness in, and porn/masturbation is not it."""
Could you please quote me the phrase in the bible where God refers to masturbation/porn being immoral?
Also masturbation is scientifically proven to be good for you and about 98% of all males actually masturbate...so looks like they are all going to hell...
I don't understand if I smell the food and wanted to eat it but I didn't it is like I ate, it don't make sense,I f I think of something or want something in my heart I am not necessarily gonna do it ,if having lust and watching porn is considered a sin then we should have sex not just masturbate( thinking and doing are not equal)so because of that it don't make sense
**Only the weak-minded eh...right. After all, it doesn't concern you if the weak-minded starts masturbating and becomes an addict. * shrugs ***
No... it doesn't... because I don't blame the MEDIUM for the addiction... at all. Its the fault of the individual, and their relative lack of restraint. Its their personalities that are addictive...
Adultery is the sex between 1 or 2 married persons, not married to each other, while fornication is two unmarried persons, and isnt mentioned in the bible.
The first part is correct, the second part is NOT. The biblical (Hebrew, Greek, Latin) definition of 'fornication' is: ''To have sex with a prostitute.''
pssh like either are sometheing to be proud of. think of #7 Thou shalt not commit adultery. the bibles know how is limited. it's given to you as guide lines for your life. if you don't want it to be a sin in YOUR life, fine that's between you and God.
...by your definition, ALL sex is LUST...
A husband can lust for his own wife, how is that adultery?
All intercourse requires primal sexual stimulation, arousal, etc. regardless of marital status, you CAN'T reproduce without lust.
It isn't stated anywhere in the bible.There is nothing wrong with porn and masturbation as long as you aren't doing it so it interferes with your daily activities and it is better then sleeping around.
All I know as a wife who never get's sex in my marriage is that it is very hurtful to me that my husband would take care of his sexual needs this way and deprive me. He says Masturbation is not a sin.
A husband can lust for his own wife, how is that adultery?
You are right. That is not adultery.
But when you watch porn you definitely don't lust for your wife. That is why it is adultery.
"""Aside of religious reason. It boils down to just being a selfish act. No one else benefits but you."""
Very ironic won't you say...since you breathing and sleeping also only benefits you...
Those scriptures are vague, and don't directly address the issue at hand. To reach a conclusion (a definitive one) about this topic can be done only through subjective interpretation.
It isn't stated anywhere in the bible.
it sooo does :)
just listen to what JCROD said. he siad it before me. he knows his scripture.
Aside of religious reason. It boils down to just being a selfish act. No one else benefits but you.
sigh ...and when you aren't married... it isn't adultery either...
It all depends on what you consider to be 'sexual immorality'
...the same could be said about eating, or breathing...
