Is there a god?

Is there really ANY proof of god that's not In the bible? If you think there is, challenge my thinking properly, I don't want to argue on New Years Eve. I don't find any convincing evidence in God, but hearing yours would be facinating, I love finding...

how people think.

yes there is agod, I must be grateful to him and say it, the human being is awondreful creature with its feelings and thinking , its hard to believe that it created itself naturally cause our bodies are so accurate without aflaw, and its hard also to say that we evolved from apes and animals, cause it simply bring a aquestion why are the animals still animals and we evolved to humans?why haven't they evolved also?? I can see the evidence of his existence around me, in the sun ,the moon,the oxygen that I can't live without it and in the beats of my heart which if it stopped for one second I would die, so thanks to the one who keeps it beating.

What is the proof and alternative to how we got here if there isnt?

Why does there have to be a definitive answer to how we got here?

You're here. living, breathing. Love it and live it.

Evolution, ever heard of the Darwin Theory? Human beings evolved from apes, how they got there, is a mystery. Mysteries can be solved, however...

Actually, Darwin's theory does NOT say we evolved from apes.
Humans and apes have a common ancestor.

Well, what ancestor might that be?

I believe we have plenty of Proof of God's existance, BUT I'm not going to try to list it here because I know it is an open invitation for flaming and Bashing Which I do not believe this site was put here for. . . .

Accordint to the first and second laws of themodynamics the Big Bang could have only happened with an outside source of energy and God fits the bill.

there is a god period ! lol
:D
if there wasent then... how would we be here.. ?

Darwin's theory was discarded when the Cambrian Explosion was discovered.

OMG its all to weriod, you think about how we got here, and then before that and before that

Im christian not through choice but I dont rele believe theres a god but its all to weriod to think how we actually came onto this earth

happy new year people have a good en lol!!!
peace

***Is there really ANY proof of 'god' that's not In the bible? If you think there is, challenge my thinking properly, I don't want to argue on New Years Eve. I don't find any convincing evidence in God, but hearing yours would be facinating, I love finding how people think.***

I've asked this question, and so far, there's only been ONE decent answer.

People can formulate and speculate all they want; they can find evidence to support their theories, but they CAN'T PROVE ANYTHING.

sikashimmer - I totally agree with you! just be happy that you are here at all! and also, elone, I didn't know that darwins theory was discarded! but im glad I learned it now =]

Plainwhitets--I'm not sure we know what the common ancestor is yet. I think that's what is referred to as the missing link.

When you look at every step of the Creation / Evolution process the questions that science cannot answer can be answered by an intelligent outside source or energy.

Look at the Big Bang. First let’s look at NASA’s view:
http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/universe/b_bang.html

It is impossible according to the laws of physics.
Below is a website that explains the laws in plain understandable terms.

http://www.emc.maricopa.edu/faculty/farabee/BIOBK/BioBookEner1.html

The second law states: in all energy exchanges, if no energy enters or leaves the system, the potential energy of the state will always be less than that of the initial state.

Looking at this from a scientific point of view; it is believed that “in the beginning”, before there was a Universe, there was this ‘ cosmic egg’, a point about the size of a hydrogen nucleus that was somehow acted upon (by an unknown source) and exploded it into what is now called the Universe. Science says that all of the energy and matter existing at that time existed inside of this speck.

The second law says that if the egg ‘exploded’, all energy released and all matter created when added up, would be less than the energy and matter contained in the hydrogen nucleus…unless it was acted upon by an external source of energy. Science says there was no external source; the speck is all there was. It is impossible!! But if you add God into the equation as an external source, it becomes feasible. Similar to what happens when man created the atom bomb.

The first law states: “Energy can be changed from one form to another, but it cannot be created or destroyed. The total amount of energy and matter in the Universe remains constant, merely changing from one form to another.”

If all of the energy and matter that existed before the Big Bang was contained in this ‘speck’, and energy and matter cannot be created, where did all of the millions and millions of galaxies come from. It is impossible according to science for this to have happened.

The next step, according to science is impossible also. Science says that in the first billionth of a second (or thereabout) after the Big Bang, all of the matter that was supposed to have been created, was thrown out into space so fast, that 4 billion years later, we can detect with a radio telescope, the energy of this event. Einstein showed in his equation E=m(c*c) that this is impossible, nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. That is beside the point. Even Newton’s law of Inertia says it is impossible.

Newton’s first law of motion states: An object at rest tends to stay at rest and an object in motion tends to stay in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force.

http://www.glenbrook.k12.il.us/gbssci/phys/Class/newtlaws/u2l1b.html

If this explosion did happen, according to Newton, all of this matter should still be moving at the rate of (4 billion light years per billionth of a second) and since there was nothing out there to stop it, it shouldn’t have stopped as it did unless…according to Newton it was, “acted upon by an unbalanced force”. It is impossible to get our Universe out of the Big Bang…unless you add an external source of energy; God.

Physicists who study the galaxy say that the only reason life can exist on earth is because Jupiter is exactly where it needs to be to counter the effect of the sun’s gravity. The gravity of Jupiter counters the effect of the sun’s gravity and keeps the earth’s orbit almost circular, varying by only a few million miles. Without Jupiter being the size it is and placed where it is, the earth’s orbit would be so elliptical it would not allow life to exist on it.

Physicists have found quite a few earth- like planets orbiting suns similar to our sun, but the orbit is not suitable for life.
The Bible, a book written thousands of years before there was any science at all, says that the earth and other planets were “set” in their place by an external force called God so he could create life on it.

Now let us get to Darwin. When he went to the Galapagos Islands he noticed a number of odd animals, one in particular was a finch. This finch, having arrived on the islands found the competition for the limited food supply so great that there wasn’t enough for survival and procreation. This finch turned to vampirism for its food, pecking the legs of larger birds and drinking the blood for sustenance. He mistook this observation of an animal’s ability to adapt to its environment for immediate survival and extrapolated it into evidence that animals evolved from one species into another. Without any evidence other than his observations, believers in his theory managed to convince a court of law, through ridicule and intimidation, that the Bible was wrong and man evolved from apes.

Then along comes the discovery of the Cambrian Explosion.

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/cambrian/burgess.html

Darwin, because he had no scientific background he didn’t have the credentials to be making any theories. He dropped out of both medical school and his studies in theology. The thing I find amazing is that the ‘real’ scientists of his time jumped on his bandwagon. Darwin was aware of the Cambrian evidence but, because of his lack of education on the subject, he decided to exclude its significance.

The evidence shows a sudden burst of new life in a relatively short time period, with no evolutionary history leading up to it. There are 54 phyla represented in the Cambrian evidence, more than are living today. Immediately below this fossil evidence is a layer of one-celled organisms, some linked in chains, and absolutely no evolutionary links between the two.

It was the discovery of the Cambrian fossils that ultimately led to the demise of Darwin’s infamous theory. Evolutions cringed at the discoveries and hurried to find a new explanation, after all it showed just as the Bible had said; life was created intact and it did not evolve step by step. In their educated arrogance, and embarrassment they renamed Biblical Creation and called it Punctuated Equilibrium.

It is hard to find any sites that are not so “intellectualized” that the average person can understand what is being said about Punctuated Equilibrium. Intellectualizing is a known defense mechanism for psychologically distancing yourself from another person. You talk in terms that cannot be completely understood by the “unitiated” or “ignorant” and the conversation or situation quickly dissipates.
Here is a typical example:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/punc-eq.html

Now let’s get to the Genome evidence. If there was in fact an evolution from a one-celled organism to higher animal forms and then to man, the chromosome count would show an increase in number from one in the lowest forms to the highest number in man, the most advanced (supposedly) animal on the planet. But that is not what is shown in the chromosome count of different species, in fact in some families like the canines and felines have a separate chromosome count for each species. Man the most advanced has 46, while all canines have more (50, 64 73). To make it worse, even skunks have more chromosomes (the striped skunk has 50). A protozoon called the radiolaria; a one-celled organism has over 800. It doesn’t go from a higher count to a lower count because the mink has 30.

The only way this can make any sense is if some intelligent force spliced together the chromosomes necessary to create specific organisms. Science is finding out that it is a combination of chromosomes that determine some traits.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19626324.100?DCMP=NLC-nletterbannernsref=mg19626324.100

In order for genes to have evolved from an evolutionary process it would need to have developed a very complex means to manufacture the gene, another very complex code reader to interpret the genetic code, a complex manufacturing system to make the raw materials and a complex mechanism to make it all come together. If any one of these parts failed it wouldn’t work. And all of this is supposed to have come from an inorganic primeval soup.

Look up the complexity of an amino acid, it is mind-boggling and there are 23 of them to make a protein molecule. Within the 46 chromosomes of man are an estimated 35,000 genes.
http://www.genetics.gsk.com/chromosomes.htm

How many genes are in the Radiolaria I mentioned earlier, with over 800 chromosomes? They are one of the most primitive life forms on the planet; how did it all come together without some kind of intelligent supervision or planning?

Is there a God? My evidence shows that with a God all that we know about the Universe, our solar system and life on the planet Earth can be easily explained in scientific terms. Science has broken the most important rule about providing evidence; if the foundation on which you base your theories is proved wrong, everything supported by it is wrong.
I, with all my heart, soul and intellect absolutely know that there is a God because the evidence supports it.
Have a happy New Year! Good night.

***I, with all my heart, soul and intellect absolutely know that there is a God because the evidence supports it.***

There is also plenty of evidence that DOESN'T support it. Do you simply overlook it?

*** There is also plenty of evidence that DOESN'T support it. Do you simply overlook it?

Really?
Cut and paste some. . . .

***If there is a God...why does it continue to sit back and watch BILLIONS of its apparent children animals that it loves suffer??***

Example ONE

I can't prove that God doesn't exist any more than a believer can prove that he does. But what I can tell you with certainty as one with a science degree is that Elone is totally confused and doesn't understand physics, biology or geology. By all means read the links provided and then study deeper to see what science really has to say about these topics. Every point Elone made has been refuted time and time again.

If you read the Bible that reason is made very clear. It starts out with the creation of perfect uncontaminated beings. Then for some undisclosed reason there was a betrayal of loyalty and trust; and over a period of time these beings were corrupted twice; once with the Eve and the tree of knowledge incident and once with the ‘angels’ coming to earth and mating with the women. Because of these contaminations the corruption was so complete (Gen 6: 5) that the Creator found it necessary to obliterate the whole ‘experiment’ with the exception of a few specimens of each species; the Noah story. From that point on the Bible tells a story of how the Creator tried to re-educate the descendents of Noah and undo the damage that was done. Evidence of the extent of this damage is provided through the necessity of laws of conduct; like The Ten Commandments and the over 600 laws provided to he Hebrews talked about in Leviticus 18: 1-5. The Creator even went so far as to keep the Hebrews separate from the influence of other cultures, by having them wander seemingly aimlessly for about forty years, providing everything they needed. It was during this time, that the Creator had a very personal relationship with the Hebrew people (Israelites) and forbid the circumcision ritual (a sign of the Covenant he had with them) until the last of the original people had died. Because the Israelites had this need to worship gods, which they learned from the Egyptians, he even went to far as to have them build a portable Tabernacle, so they could worship a real Living God, instead of man made statues. The Creator initiated sacrifice rituals as an attempt to change their mindset; but none of this worked. The Creator was getting disappointed and frustrated that all of his attempts at re-education had no effect. (Exodus 32: 9).
Finally the Creator realized that there is no hope in the re-education attempts (Exodus 33: 3) and starts a slow abandonment of the matter. (Exodus 33: 5)

This withdrawal of the Creator from the Israelites is done over a series of steps. The first is the transcription of the Torah to Moses and the command that it should be read to the Israelites every year (in the hope that there will be a change of heart). The second is when the Creator told Moses that he wanted to ‘consume’ the Israelites and replace them with Moses’ seed, but Moses talked him out of it. The third is when man said they would not change and wanted to be ruled by a human king and not God. (1 Samuel 12: 11-17). The appointment of human kings began with the Divine appointment of King Saul (he was a miserable failure), then King David (he was better but he set bad examples by committing adultery with Bath Sheba and had her husband sent to the front lines of fighting and killed so he could have her as his wife). Then Solomon, David’s son was king, with all of his wisdom he worshipped the idols of his wives. The Creator sent messengers in an attempt to get the Israelites to change their ways, in the form of Prophets (Matt 23: 37); because they said they would rather listen to a man than a God; but that didn’t work either. The final step was with the birth of Jesus, an incorruptible king, sent by the Creator in answer to man’s wishes to be ruled by a man rather than a God. That is why he referred to himself as the Son of Man (Matthew 16: 13). In fact in this verse (Mathew 23: 39) the Creator said he is abandoning the people of earth until they acknowledge Jesus as their King.

The Creator was never able to undo the damage done by the traitorous angels (messengers) in all of his attempts. In the New Testament Jesus said this world is ruled by an evil ‘god’ because man would not listen to the Supreme God.

Matthew 6: 24 and Luke 16: 13 both say the same thing, Jesus saying, “No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.”

Since man has rejected all attempts by the Creator to set things right. He has abandoned us, left us to our own devices, leaving us to wallow in our self-created misery. In John 12: 31 is evidence why all of this evil is happening, “Now is the judgment of this world, now shall the ruler of this world be cast out;”

To understand this message, you have to first understand that the intellect is different from the physical brain; that a force not physical, but intangible is manipulating the physical body. Your arms do not move because they independently want to move. They move because they are a part of a bigger arrangement; if you cut the arm off and let it lie on the ground, it will not move. The movement is caused by the effect this intangible force (our will) has on the larger arrangement (our body). The Bible says we are part of an even larger arrangement that allows for our will, to be manipulated by another force outside of our control. And that we have a choice; one that is moral in temperament and one that is not. The reason you see all of the horrors in this world in not because of God, but because of the choices of our ancestors and our own personal choices, unfortunately most people pick the immoral one.

yes there is a god I mean who did this world and us ! think about it ! would you be here ?