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what do you think about Atheists? I dont hate em but I think its the worst thing in the world. (someone who dozzent believe in god) I can c if you believe if theirs more than 1 god but not believeing in god at all, dats juss wrong 2 me. im not very religious but sstill I have nothing against atheists. wha do you guyz think?
THE DUDE - Very well said, couldnt have done it better myself :-)
**aliyah0137 ** I myself am a christian, so I dont get how atheists dont believe in God. and, stephanie, if the Bible isnt good enough for u, then what about the theory of evolution? why arent we still evolving? why arent more primates becoming human***
LOOOL Aliyah you REALLY think Evolution took place over 10, 100 or a 1000yrs, come on wake up, if only one of you guys can preserve your brains for a million years, wake up then an see the difference them, ugh now we have to explain it all, not a easy task!!!
LITTLE REDmy life without God would be utterly & completely hopeless so I Praise God that everything in life even the bad things that happen happen for a reason & it all makes sense when Gods in it!!*** Now Little Red, your saying atheist had to have some kinda bad stuff happened to them, thats why they stopped believing in a god - what if I tell you: All humans have all kinda bad things happen to them at a stage in their lifes, the only difference is: Some people open their eyes and think a bit further to see there actually IS no one out there and never were, Where others just bump and bump their heads ova and ova again and would neva open their eyes, one of those things looks like!
KYRAWell, I've never seen a "cell" or a "molecule" before. How do I know they exist? I mean those pictures of cells can be just as fake as the pictures of god. ***
Kyra now why DONT YA give yourself a birthday gift and visit a Lab close by, so they can show you a few interesting microscopic things, why dont ya hmmm, would you then believe those things exist? Oh ye and Atheists are not rude, I only think religious people feel offensive easily, protecting their religion is a difficult task without ANY evidence whatsoever!
But whatever, we'll just have to wait and see when we die I guess haha, I cant wait to see the look on the Athiests' faces when im standing on the other side of the Pearly Gates, and when St. Peter tells them their name aint on the list
Didnt you just say, atheist are the rude ones hmmm hatred speach and all, wow what a xtian!
Only to ease your mind: If your dead your dead, also a very good thing, just imagine all the mummy's and bodies with muggets running around in a heaven, they were so much looking forward to huh ! Or the person who were killed in Iraque by an explosion, dont think you guys think very realistic here! Ya you would say, but it is only your spirit being there! Any spirits around you now, nah and if you experience any, youve got a hell of a imagination!
Take care all
security94: "what do you think about Atheists? I dont hate em but I think its the worst thing in the world."
Worst thing in the world? You think atheists are worse than serial killers? Than child molesters?" If you really feel this way I find it hard to believe that you "don't have anything against atheists."
littlered777: "you know what, for a person to become atheist theres got to be a really good reason for it!you cant just be born one, somewhere along the way in their life something bad happened & they got that badly hurt/betrayed, cal it whatever you want & their faith was not as strong as others so they chose to become atheist!!"
I believe that you have things backward. We are born atheists and remain so until being indoctrinated into a religion. Your indoctrination was so successful that you can't even imagine not believing in God.
littlered777: "I also dont know how they can go through life without Gods provision, I know that there have been times in my life where I have had enough & felt like giving up & walking away but I couldnt do it to be honest with you, my life without God would be utterly & completely hopeless so I Praise God that everything in life even the bad things that happen happen for a reason & it all makes sense when Gods in it!!"
Missionaries have a saying, you have to loose someone before you can save them. Much of witnessing is telling people how lost you were until you found God. I'm not saying you are being disgenuine; I'm just saying that your religion teaches that people are weak and need God to lean on and that is why you believe it.
When I was a Christian I thought I needed God's strength and guidance to get along. Funny thing though, when I quit believing in God I did just fine. I guess it was just me all along.
I'm not that worried about Christian transgressions. I think we are all human and all make mistakes and at times we are all hypocrites regardless how hard we try to be good people. I do think that it is interesting that many of the most vocal Christians today seem to have more in common with the Pharasees in the Bible than with Jesus's deciples. They use the Bible as a rulebook to judge other people rather than a story of love and hope.
"I said since I have not seen one,than does that mean I should not belive?
...if you did the 'blood experient' like you claim, and you couldn't see your OWN BLOOD CELLS, you either forgot to use the microscope, or didn't use it properly.
Have I seen a single cell? NO I have not
Do the blood experiment AGAIN, and this time... FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS.
so then the intention of that statment is to prove that JUST BECAUSE YOU CANNOT SEE SOMETHING, DOESNT MEAN IT IS NOT THERE.
You need to provide a better example. Because claiming that you cannot see cells, when you have a viable means to do so, makes you appear totally incompetent. You can use a microscope to see cells. Can you use a microscope to see GOD? No...
**and im definetly going to have to disagree when you say "And there are plenty of people with excuses for BELIEVING that are equally illinformed, naive and ignorant." - - most believe dont even truely believe in God until they have gone to church, been saved or whatever.**
...hilarious... going to church somehow makes people stop being ignorant. Which church? There's been over 30,000 different kinds of Christianity. Which one is the RIGHT one? They can't ALL be right, otherwise they wouldn't be DIFFERENT.
I have no problems with your views at all, they just NEVER make sense
That's because you aren't thinking hard enough, and definitely aren't paying attention. Do you even KNOW my views?
And that's just the truth, if you dont want to be portrayed that way then PLEASE read my posts CAREFULLY. they DO require thought.
You should think CAREFULLY before you post them.
And I also am going to have to say there is nothing wrong with my view on theism at all
...yet another opinion you've yet to justify.
so im pretty damn sure that MY opinion is not a "good example of what is wrong with theism today",
Of course you wouldn't think so, you've already stating that you think there is NOTHING WRONG with your views. Which makes your WRONG by default. That is yet ANOTHER example of what is wrong with theism today.
OK you even took the TIME to copy and paste what I said, now I don't know if you are stupid [honestly] or read to fast, but THINK ABOUT WHAT I TYPED here is an EXACT copy and paste of what I said that YOU are saying I contradicted myself:
"I said since I have not seen one,than does that mean I should not belive?***"
OKAY, NOW.
Have I seen a single cell? NO I have not, I could not look at a table and say "oh theres a CELL" ii couldnt describe it to you or ANYTHING. BUT my question is DOES THAT MEAN I SHOULD NOT believe that it is there?
NO, I SHOULDNT
so then the intention of that statment is to prove that JUST BECAUSE YOU CANNOT SEE SOMETHING, DOESNT MEAN IT IS NOT THERE.
and im definetly going to have to disagree when you say "**And there are plenty of people with excuses for BELIEVING that are equally illinformed, naive and ignorant."
most believe dont even truely believe in God until they have gone to church, been saved or whatever.
You see captainassasin, I have no problems with your views at all, they just NEVER make sense, you try to prove me wrong, but you take bits and peices of what I say that DO NOT cover my belief, or the point I am trying to get across, so everytime I read one of your posts that try to tell me im wrong or whatever, I literally let out this huge "why the hell is this guy so stupid" sigh. And that's just the truth, if you dont want to be portrayed that way then PLEASE read my posts CAREFULLY. they DO require thought. And I also am going to have to say there is nothing wrong with my view on theism at all, if im the worst theist that you have ever encountered, than I would suggest leaving your computer for a couple hours and taking a walk down the street where there are Gay Protestors, people shoving bibles in your faces and screaming that you are going to hell.
Have I done ANY of that? Have I deemed any of you EVIL or HELLBOUND? no I have not. so im pretty damn sure that MY opinion is not a "good example of what is wrong with theism today",
hahahahaha ' I love how I pissed you guys off.
...so you love to anger people... God must be sooo proud of you...
*** I said "Sadly most of the athiests I encounter seem to be negative" I didnt say that they WERE ALL negative.***
Liar... THIS is what you said:
[''I dont have problem with Athiests, but THEY ALWAYS have a real negative and rude approach when they talk about how they dont believe in god.'']
Funny... but its okay for YOU to do it?
and as for the cell and molecule thing YUMMEH, how do I know those cells or molecule im being shown arent fake? they are in little plastic slides...how can I trust it? Thinnk about it before you come at me with your ingnorant naive rants like that.
If you're that deluded, feel free to stab yourself in the finger, squeeze a drop of your OWN blood onto a slide, a clean slide, a clean slide that YOU yourself cleaned. Put the slide under a microscope, be sure to look into the scope before, during, and after you place the slide (to assure yourself theres no trick or deception to it). Like it or not, your body is FULL of cells. Next, go get a sample of water from a local pond or creek in your area (be sure to take your microscope with you, so Satan doesn't tamper with it). You'll get to see little microscopic critters that actually move and interact with each other! Wowie!
Cells exist. Its been proven... visually... biologically... and chemically. To deny or question their existence (ESPECIALLY coming from someone who's in AP anatomy, and was in honors Bio), in some vain attempt to justify a belief in something that CANNOT be proven to exist by ANY means; only undermines your subjective viewpoint, and brings readers to question your actual knowledge regarding science AND your own religion, for that matter.
You appear to be nothing more than just another antagonistic intolerant arrogant overzealous bible-thumper; who should spend less time thumping your bible, and more time actually READING it.
I keep proving myself
You're proving nothing but your own incompetence.
And if I did the blood thing again, than that would be a bunch of cells yes?
You can isolate one, if you choose to do so. You could also simply increase the magnification to where only one cell is in view. And if you get woozy from pricking yourself, you can always divert to the pondwater test I mentioned. Quit playing DUMB, science student... you already KNOW this stuff.
Alright, well lets take a relationship, does love have a physical appearence?
You haven't learned much in science class. Love is an emotional (chemical) response to perceivable stimuli in our lives: people, places, sights, sounds, etc. Those experiences are EXPERIENCES by use of the five senses (sight, hearing, taste, touch, smell). The 'relationship' you speak of, is with another actual person, a person who exists. You know they exist because you can perceive them with your senses. The 'love' you speak of, is your body's reaction to certain combinations of chemicals secreted by your own brain. Those chemicals have physical properties and can be synthesized. So yes, love has a physical appearance. If you choose, you can also put it into a syringe. Can you put GOD in a syringe? No.
Try again... you've yet to provided anything I haven't heard before. Why not try the 'wind' analogy next?
I said that peoples reason for believing in god are NOT ignorant because they typically dont REALLY believe until they have established a relationship WITH god, whether that's going to church, reading the bible WHATEVER makes them believe.
Belief does not equate to a lack of ignorance. I know this because I know more about the Bible than most Christians do. Its often evident by their ignorance regarding topics ABOUT the Bible.
God's existence can not be known, because God can not be perceived. You have faith... and faith alone.
"say someone told you you had AIDS, just like that, and then gave you some weird reasons why, would you get a check up??? that would also make you materialistic..."
Naturally I would seek physical answers to a physical malady. This would not preclude my being a dualist... if I were.
"atheists arent upset with the so called transgression of theists, its actually the theists being upset with atheists realistic views..."
This is subjective. I won't deny theist upset if you don't deny the observable atheist upset exhibited here.
My point was that by virtue of the fact of determinism being compulsory of the strong atheist... [or whichever term best describes those atheists denying the existence of any unobservable higher order]... any upset exhibited by them is from their own belief system... unwarranted.
"religion drives people to do crazy things... just like dancing with snakes...those snake dancer guys, yeah they're christians too..."
So does alcohol... or any substance that loosens inhibitions. If snake handlers find the practice exhilarating... and they choose to do so... why are they crazy? Because it may kill them? Death is a certainty at the moment. I can go into a "Braveheart" quote here... but will refrain... suffice it to say... the unexamined life is not worth living... maybe I am stretching the original intent of that quote a little... but I think it is poignant here.
FilletofSpam: "I'm not that worried about Christian transgressions. I think we are all human and all make mistakes and at times we are all hypocrites regardless how hard we try to be good people. I do think that it is interesting that many of the most vocal Christians today seem to have more in common with the Pharasees in the Bible than with Jesus's deciples. They use the Bible as a rulebook to judge other people rather than a story of love and hope."
I couldn't agree with you more.
Hhaa you make me laugh.
Oh yeah... and with so much sincerity behind it too...
just because im in AP anatomy doesnt mean I belive what im taught it means im OPEN MINDED enough to look on the other side of things so I can prove my OWN religion.
So why is it that you HAVE YET to prove ANYTHING? Not open-minded enough? Or can you simply not face the fact that YOU CAN'T prove your religion is right?
...I actualyl DID do the blood thing today as an experiment, and guess what:? it just looked like blood to me.
No it didn't... blood to the naked eye DOES NOT look the same as blood under a microscope.
*** haha and part of my beliefe isnt that blood DOES NOT exist is that god gave me that blood , so theirs your answer righ there.***
That's a stupid answer, and its contradictory... you earlier were applying doubt as to the existence of cells, now you're saying they do exist. Make up your mind, and pay attention to what you're spouting.
and yeah thats WHAT I SAID but im being accused of claiming that ALL athiests are rude and ignorant which I DID NOT SAY I said "most of the ones I HAVE encountered"
Liar.
so maybe YOU should spend less time scanning my posts and actaully reading it.
You don't seem to even THINK about what comes flying out of your head. But you want to draw even MORE attention to all the mistakes in your posts, and gaping holes in your arguments? You've already established yourself as two-faced: Being offensive & and antagonistic, then playing the victim. Do you simply just want attention, gain it by causing drama? Because a real Christian wouldn't present their beliefs in such a counterproductive manner.
Wow, it just seem so pointless to talk to you. I keep proving myself, and once again you chop up my phrases and ask completely stupid questions or make completely unjustified and outrageous claims about what I say
"Oh well you said this, so that must mean you mean THIS than right?" WRONG. I mean exactly WHAT I say.
And if I did the blood thing again, than that would be a bunch of cells yes? I said SINGLE cell I cannot look at a SINGLE cell on my computer desk and describe its characteristics. OK so you want a better example? Alright, well lets take a relationship, does love have a physical appearence? NO it does not, but people can feel it, and you know when you love something, you know that its there, well thats what its like believing in GOD. you cant describe why you believe he is there besides the fact that you have faith and you feel his guidance around you. [thanks ichbinarky for that analogy]. So THERE. Do you understand that now? or do I need to feed it to you like a baby?
My goodness.
AND once again with the whole "you said this so you mean this" thing, I DID NOT SAY that people go to church and magically become ignorant, NO , I said that peoples reason for believing in god are NOT ignorant because they typically dont REALLY believe until they have established a relationship WITH god, whether that's going to church, reading the bible WHATEVER makes them believe. NOW I know you're probably going to say "OH so then if I go read the bible im going to believe?!" WELL no, you probably will not, JUST SO YOU KNOW in case you werent aware, THAT WAS AN EXAMPLE.
Get it?
Probably not huh?
oh well, im not surprised.
Good Day =]
People who say atheists speak negatively are typically being remarkably ignorant. Think about it... Religion has become such a common following that people no longer have to justify their beliefs. It is atheists who have to explain themselves all the time. You ask us why we "DON'T" believe in God. In what way can we give a positive answer to a negative question? Atheists are not rude and I don't know of any who actually are, lol. I think thedude makes some extremely good points here. We are all entitled to our own beliefs.
"it sounds more stupid than a religion", "Athiests just lack faith, and sadly every athiest I have encountered seem to lack intelligence when it comes to religion". That sounds more like negative talk to me... As for saying that we cannot back up our beliefs, then how can you back up yours :D? Sadly you cannot 'prove' that we are wrong, so there is no need to make such degrading comments.
Leave judgement to God... If you want to judge others on the basis of their religious beliefs, then wouldn't that be a little bit blasphemous :S, lol? I'm glad that the people who have contributed to this question have actually been more open-minded. Sometimes things get ugly in questions like these. Just thought I'd point that out :).
As for the comment saying that the Bible is more credible than the theory of evolution, I don't see how that works out. Science has proven that evolution occured by identifying fossils from different stages of the evolutionary process (particularly in humans) and more evidence is being gathered by the day. Religion once said dinosaurs were not real, but now they have changed their story about that, lol.
problem with Athiests, but they always have a real negative and rude approach when they talk
Ok, facts: 1) Aetheist door knockers DON'T exist...period. All the religious door knockers who assume that either I'm not religious OR disagree with my belief system have plagued me ever since I started renting my own dwelling...that's not right, it's apalling, rude, insulting and derogatory. Live your life, and I'll live mine, ya?
2) The co-founders of this site, much like the community that makes up FunAdvice, come from three different religious backgrounds...we were all born with different teachings. Nobody is born with the genetic code that says one thing or another...else, we'd have one religion encompassing all believers - since we don't have it, we can rule out belief as being part of our inborn humanity.
3) Consider carefully when you judge those with any non main stream religious belief...those beliefs (Muslim, Christian, Catholic...) ALL come via slaughter, there isn't a single religion that spread without war & injustice for all.
4) A christian wrote the pledge of allegiance without the "under god" reference...why was it added later? Did they disagree with the amount of faith of the author, OR did they feel an unconscionable need to STUFF their faith down the throats of those who thought differently?
If it makes you happy, I'll not stand in your way, so long as your faith doesn't prevent me from having mine :)
I dont have problem with Athiests, but they always have a real negative and rude approach when they talk about how they dont believe in god. like religous people are stupid or something and that really bothers me. And for those of you saying that "a book isnt enough", that really doesnt make sense because the theory of evolution hasnt been proven either, and I think it sounds more stupid than a religion, And if you dont believe in either well...is that even possible? I mean you must believe in something right? I think Athiests just lack faith, and sadly every athiest I have encountered seem to lack intelligence when it comes to religion, and they cant back up their belief past "I've never seen god so why should I believe?"
Well, I've never seen a "cell" or a "molecule" before. How do I know they exist? I mean those pictures of cells can be just as fake as the pictures of god. I just dont get why people trust man kind more than religion/faith, when since the beginning mankind has been kiniving, lying, cheating and stealing...but hey, we'll just believe everything he says...yeah makes no sense to me.
But whatever, we'll just have to wait and see when we die I guess haha, I cant wait to see the look on the Athiests' faces when im standing on the other side of the Pearly Gates, and when St. Peter tells them their name aint on the list.
lol I just imagine that to be a funny scenario. No offense, lol
hahahahaha ' I love how I pissed you guys off.
I think its more funny to watch Athiests defend the beliefs they DONT have. and "Yummeh" if you would stop being stupif for 2 seconds and take ttime to READ what I wrote, I said "Sadly most of the athiests I encounter seem to be negative" I didnt say that they WERE ALL negative. so you can stfu. AND as for "Jane of The Jungle" YOU are the type I am talking about. you just give athiests a bad name. and I like how you guys decide to chop up my phrases and take that as my overall opinion. AND as for you people who think its RUDE or BAD for people to come to your house and invite you to join their religion are completely ignorant because its not like they sit there and say "hey that guys looks like he needs god, im going to go bother him" ITS THEIR DUTY AS A CHRISTIAN TO TRY TO GET PEOPLE TO JOIN THEIR RELIGION. so give them a break my goodness,.
ahh you Athiests make me laugh with your trying to DISPROVE god. hjahahah
and as for the cell and molecule thing YUMMEH, how do I know those cells or molecule im being shown arent fake? they are in little plastic slides...how can I trust it? Thinnk about it before you come at me with your ingnorant naive rants like that.
THANKS.
im done here =] my point is proven.
haha wow, I thought this post was closed, but guess not? WELL I really DONT care what you think of my posts, and if you think they are pathetic, GREAT =] and can I make it perectly clear I didnt say that I do NOT belive cells and what not exist, I said since I have not seen one,than does that mean I should not belive? No it does not so there for I was pretty much telling you that just because you cant see something does NOT mean it does NOT exist because I KNOW that cells exist. And I obviously wasnt aware that we are in a fight right now? because that was never meant to be a "comeback" jazlovestoskate**, its my opinion, and I DO respect other peoples opinion, so dont EVER tell me that I dont, because it looks like too me that many people on here are not respecting what I have to say and in turn actually making fun of what I say, and like I said it honestly DOES make me laugh because its like you guys are trying to make me feel bad or whatever over the COMPUTER and thats pretty pathetic to me, and most of [oops, you better read that one carefully captainassasin and informer!] MOST OF peoples' excuses for not believing are so illinformed, naive and ignorant reasons.
Now id love to see what you guys make out of that.
Have a nice life =]
Well, I've never seen a "cell" or a "molecule" before. How do I know they exist? I mean those pictures of cells can be just as fake as the pictures of god. I just dont get why people trust man kind more than religion/faith, when since the beginning mankind has been kiniving, lying, cheating and stealing...but hey, we'll just believe everything he says...yeah makes no sense to me.
why we trust ourselves more than religion??? well for starters we KNOW we exist, secondly if every person went with religion then we would never have the technology and intelligence we have now...
your so awesome religion never said anything about america being there, or australia, or even china... so frankly YOU are the dumb ones...
did you know that george washington hated religion? and that he said a state may never function if religion was involved? oh yes you can google it
you CAN see molecules, you CAN see cells, heck you can see them right now, just look at your skin, its a bundle of cells. but where is your god? hmmm can you see his "bundle"? no? well then STFU...
as much as you say we dont know anything about religion, well \you dont know jack about atheism... so we are even...
I think atheists are materialistic by and large... of course there are exceptions to any rule... but the ones requiring empirical proof of a god... I would characterize as materialistic.
say someone told you you had AIDS, just like that, and then gave you some weird reasons why, would you get a check up??? that would also make you materialistic...
I don't know why atheists become upset with the transgressions of theists... they must believe they were predetermined to do so. I reckon the counterargument is that the atheists would be predetermined to be upset... [What a sad state of affairs!?!]
atheists arent upset with the so called transgression of theists, its actually the theists being upset with atheists realistic views... im a damn anti theist (anti religion) and yet im very happy with my life... so why would I be upset, with theists totally loosing their minds? thatd actually make me more happy cause it proves my point...
religion drives people to do crazy things... just like dancing with snakes...those snake dancer guys, yeah they're christians too...
*** I said since I have not seen one,than does that mean I should not belive?***
But you HAVE seen them... you admitted that... which undermines your... oh, let's call it a 'point' in the first place... making it... pointless.
and like I said it honestly DOES make me laugh because its like you guys are trying to make me feel bad or whatever over the COMPUTER and thats pretty pathetic to me
It's not about YOU... your attitude is just being used as a good example of what's wrong with theism today.
and most of [oops, you better read that one carefully captainassasin and informer!]
Don't have to... you didn't blanket the statement this time... though you ARE still assuming, so that makes you wrong by default.
MOST OF peoples' excuses for not believing are so illinformed, naive and ignorant reasons.
And there are plenty of people with excuses for BELIEVING that are equally illinformed, naive and ignorant.
Actually aliyah0137, evolution is not as simple as you make it. Generally people evolve to suit their surroundings or the superiorities of other species. Different races are an example of evolution. All humans are the same technically, but we have a difference which is skin deep. We are also evolving intellectually technically. As we learn more and become more superior, there is less need to physically evolve. That one is obvious really :). We are changing with time, as are a lot of species.
An actual physical example of evolution is how less and less humans are being born with an appendix. It has become redundant mostly and so the body has evolved enough to no longer need it. That's one example, but there are probably some we haven't even noticed :).
Little Kyra, pleaze check my profile again, so would see im not your kiddo :-)
First you attack Annv, now your complimenting her? Youve attacked Captain like 1,2,3 ... dono how many times, now youre complimenting him?
So nah I wont feel offended, cause your playing a childish game. You're using people to reach your goal and your goal is only to win which eva fight is running by trying to get just a "pinch" of feeling from their side, so they might feel sorry for you!
You know what I meant by the statement I made, the only way you can pretend it didnt matter to you, is by attacking without thinking what WAS really said.
Long Long time ago, I was also prepared to do ANYTHING for my religion, luckily all changed for the good :-)
you know what, for a person to become atheist theres got to be a really good reason for it!
you cant just be born one, somewhere along the way in their life something bad happened & they got that badly hurt/betrayed, cal it whatever you want & their faith was not as strong as others so they chose to become atheist!! I also dont know how they can go through life without Gods provision, I know that there have been times in my life where I have had enough & felt like giving up & walking away but I couldnt do it to be honest with you, my life without God would be utterly & completely hopeless so I Praise God that everything in life even the bad things that happen happen for a reason & it all makes sense when Gods in it!!
my best man at my wedding is an athesist. he is a really good friend, has a high paying job. I've known him for the last 12 years, met in college.
he grew up in a country at war, possibly making him question how God could allow slaughter, he came to the states in highschool, picked up english working at a movie theater as a projectionist.
I used to think atheists were all bitter, negative etc... he's not. religion is something governments and people have used to manipulate people.
with that said, I believe the gospel, will raise my children in the church. but encourage them to explore themselves. shouldn't just easily except things, shouldn't just easily dismiss things.
one has to establish truths
Security, why are you contradicting yourself? You say us atheists are the worse thing in the world, yet go back to say you have nothing against us. Why not worry about what you believe in, instead of asking stupid questions like this? I mean if you want to believe in god that's fine but don't call someone terrible just because they have different beliefs. Also, I would like to add I've gotten a lot more crap from christians and baptists around here and I hardly EVER talk about religion because I know how it offends a lot of people when someone openly admits to being agnostic, atheist, satanic, ect... I was an outcast in a public school for being openly atheist. So who are the "bad guys" with that being said?
Evolution has been proven whether you like it or not. Many different sorts of bacteria and viruses can mutate (modify their genetic code). An example of this would be the the influenza virus...all the different strands are constantly mutating (aka evolving)...which is why you can still get the flu even if you've had a flu vaccine. Insects can also build surprisingly strong resistances to pesticides, which is why most farmers don't use the same type of pesitcide all the time.
Forgive me if I'm wrong (my memory might be fuzzy), but I remember the book of genesis stating that everything that God created cannot change? Is that why Christians don't believe in evolution?
p.s. sorry for going off-topic
Hhaa you make me laugh. just because im in AP anatomy doesnt mean I belive what im taught, it means im OPEN MINDED enough to look on the other side of things so I can prove my OWN religion.and I actualyl DID do the blood thing today as an experiment, and guess what:? it just looked like blood to me. haha and part of my beliefe isnt that blood DOES NOT exist is that god gave me that blood , so theirs your answer righ there.
and yeah thats WHAT I SAID but im being accused of claiming that ALL athiests are rude and ignorant which I DID NOT SAY I said "most of the ones I HAVE encountered"
so maybe YOU should spend less time scanning my posts and actaully reading it.
I agree with stephanief987... Call me materialistic, but I need actual proof before I believe things. In my opinion an atheist is no different to anybody else, we just happen to believe something different. Those who cannot respect differences in opinion (whether it be in terms of religion or any other conflict of interest) are the ones who need to think. In my opinion (although I'm an atheist), I have nothing against religious people. It is a choice; whether or not we believe in God... In my case I chose not to (lol) and it is my right to make such a choice. Others may think differently about this matter, but that's what makes the world diverse :).
I see, Yummeh... but not a bad question at the same time. And is it so unfair to ask for a little bit of evidence from people who's rhetoric aims nearly entirely to fantastic claims...?
Their source is never verifiable. At best biblical. And a biblical claim presents the problem of circular argument (you have to believe the biblical claim because it says so in the Bible), as well as the paradox of biblical-narrative and present-reality (God provides lots of evidence of his existence in the biblical narrative, while that evidence does not exist in reality).
Indeed: Factual-Knowledge and Faith do not go well together...
aliyah0137 :
evolution occurs in a time space between a few million to a billion years... you cant just snap your fingers and youve evolved...
you DO have signs you were a lower form of species you know? check your eyes, you know those round fleshy part just in the corner? that used to be a muscle we used to lower our second layer of skin... can you move your ears? have you heard of hitch hiker thumbs?
all the genetic traits are passed down, and some become useless because the ENVIROMENT we live in doesnt make us need those traits...
the earth isnt 6000 years old... thats just retarded
im muslim and I dont have a problem with Atheists..I find that the more I study anthropology and world religions the more I actually see their side. things dont just appear..it takes millions of ideas. proof of evolution is lactose tolerance, the movable thumb, our teeth and jaw line and lets not forget the human brain. I personally view atheists as scientists lol because they dont turn to religious books that forbid or limit questioning the religion in whole, but use substantial amounts of evidence proving theories...their answers and ideologies tend to be less biased and based more on research.
This discussion clearly show we atheists and anti theists are way more intelligent than these religious wannabes who think looking at a slide in the microscope is fake...
congrats you made the most retarded comeback since OJ Simpson
as for an own religion, yeah that wouldnt work, youd be proving OUR point, that a god doesnt exist, so yeah thanks for defending our cause...
kyra112 (or whatever) you may laugh on the keyboard and rage in your head (if you dont get it, dont mind) but im LMAO with all your retarded comments...
I think you should all get high sometimes...makes you relax...
Kyra hahahahaha ' I love how I pissed you guys off.***
Kyra do us all a favor and ask your priest next Sunday to pray for your evilness, lets see if you made a change before Monday, come on amuse us again, lets do the test ;-)
Oh ye, and I dont think I give atheist a bad name, my church shoes still got some holy soil underneath it gal, I was untill a few weaks ago, the nice nice lady sitting next to you in church, who also thought you were a nice nice person :-o just goes to show, going to church and reading a script as much as you want, dont make you a nice person!!!
Kyra so then the intention of that statment is to prove that JUST BECAUSE YOU CANNOT SEE SOMETHING, DOESNT MEAN IT IS NOT THERE
So your telling me:
Sure,Sure Kyra you really starting to make sence, keep entertaining us ... :-)
"just because im in AP anatomy doesnt mean I belive what im taught, it means im OPEN MINDED enough to look on the other side of things so I can prove my OWN religion"
This always strikes me as the ultimate irony. You're calling yourself open minded because you've already decided what conclusion you're going to come to ("so I can prove my OWN religion"), while simultaneously implying that we're not open minded, because we insist on evidence before we believe something.
This video sums the problem with that approach up perfectly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI
We atheists have evidence (or so we believe) that religion is all fallacy, but in order for that evidence to be proof, you have to believe it/ accept it, lol.
Uhhh... that's not what I meant. My point was that people use the word PROOF far too casually. You cannot prove something that exists oudside of our reality. Proof of existence requires some perceivable meduim. If something cannot be perceived, it cannot be proven to exist. Therefor, with regards to God, proof CANNOT be known, on either side, there can only be evidence to support one's beliefs.
I would not classify myself as a true atheist more of a realist when it comes to life and religion. to be honest its just the same as every other religion its just a belief system , do this or you must not do that because god says so etc etc . and to be honest I dont have a care in the world of what other people may think of me or my beliefs because I do not have to justify myself to no one , especially not some higher power with no real proof of current or past existance ..and hey the bible is really a historical factual document..lying is fun isnt it :D.
I think atheists are materialistic by and large... of course there are exceptions to any rule... but the ones requiring empirical proof of a god... I would characterize as materialistic.
I don't know why atheists become upset with the transgressions of theists... they must believe they were predetermined to do so. I reckon the counterargument is that the atheists would be predetermined to be upset... [What a sad state of affairs!?!]
I'm trying to figure out when I have been determined to end this comment... Any ol' time will do... I reckon...
"what do you think about Atheists? I dont hate em but I think its the worst thing in the world."
A person who minds his business, pays his taxes, obeys the law, treat others with respect, takes care of his family yet doesn't believe in god
is the worst thing in the world.
Worse than a person who cheats on his taxes, beats his wife and children, breaks the law, yet believes in god.
I can't argue with that kind of logic.
And that seems to be the same skewed logic that drives most religious people. and I use religious not spiritual.
In terms of progress for this question, I think captainassassin nailed it, lol. Like he mentioned, there is a difference between proof and evidence. We atheists have evidence (or so we believe) that religion is all fallacy, but in order for that evidence to be proof, you have to believe it/ accept it, lol. No matter what either side says here, nothing is going to happen unless one side comes up with something overwhelmingly enlightening :P. I think the question has been answered anyway... Remember it was "what do you think about Atheists"? Lol.
Yes, props to thedude, aka the Duder, His Dudeness, El Duderino...
You know, 'yummeh', when you say "leave judgment to God" your still giving into some form of criticism. Divine criticism at that, allowing an intangible being to decide what's right and wrong. Who's to say that God is right? Oh yeah, the bible... Never mind.
But I would like to agree that this has been a nice thread; No epic attempts to prove God's existence through biblical rants or poorly spelled paragraphs about how we're all going to Hell. Thanks loads, kids! :D
kyra112: Actually you did say that you think all atheists are negative ["I dont have problem with Athiests, but they always have a real negative and rude approach"]. All I did is prove that you were being somewhat hypocritical. No reason to get sad about it ;). Telling people to "stfu" doesn't come across as a non-'negative' thing either, haha. By the way, I was not the one who brought up the 'cell' issue. Leave old yummeh alone :P, lol. I am not here to question your beliefs... I am only here to defend/ explain my own :).
Ultimately those who call atheists idiots ignore one important factor, which is that it is called faith for a reason. You believe in something that you cannot prove. Unless you can prove it, then it is you (should you decide to criticise) who is the fool. I'm not directing this at anyone, but I believe it is a crucial point that needs to be made. No one here is being idiotic unless they decide to jump out and have a go at others; in which case they should expect a rebuttal.
Also id like to point out.. we evolved into the humans we are today before any religion was created. monotheistic (maybe other religions as well) think of atheists and people who believe in evolution as horrendous. the bible says the world was created at a certain time (forgot the exact date) but science proves differently. how do you explain that? I mean, how can you trust something so intensely when that thing you believe in limits you?I cant fathom it...
I think you grossly misinterpreted what was said there 'votrexviexestxunxjeuxtragique', haha. I was stating that away from my own opinion ;). Having an open mind involves looking at things from other perspectives. In this case, I am saying that if you are a religious person and are devoted to God, then (you can) leave judging atheists to him. We make choices as individuals and it is no one else's job to criticise our beliefs (within reason of course, lol).
Okay kyra112, if I imagine an invisible pink unicorn in my backyard, does that mean it exists?
There's a pink unicorn in my backyard, just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there!
I would believe in the proof pointing to George Washington's existence, but would you believe in the story Pinocchio?
Does that help you understand? The fact that there is no proof of god, is not the only reason to believe it doesn't exist.
But whatever, we'll just have to wait and see when we die I guess haha, I cant wait to see the look on the Athiests' faces when im standing on the other side of the Pearly Gates, and when St. Peter tells them their name aint on the list.
Oh how heart broken I would be... I'm not going to live my life inside a bubble just to be on a list. I think it would be funnier for you to get there and realize you were living a lie.
I cant wait to see the look on the Athiests' faces when im standing on the other side of the Pearly Gates, and when St. Peter tells them their name aint on the list.
You've summed up your beliefs, on the premise that you might someday watch the suffering of those who don't share your beliefs. Wow... that's pretty pathetic... and a pisspoor representation of what it means to be Christian.
Everyone is born atheist - with no conception of a god. There are no "christian babies" or "muslim babies" or "jewish babies".
And why is it so difficult to see the atheist point of view? You (presumably) don't believe in countless gods, ranging from ancient ones like Zeus and Athena to 'competing' ones like the gods of Islam and Judaism. Atheists just take it one god further.
"...what do you think about atheists...?"
Yeah... I happen to know one or two. They are cool... But I do not know all of them. However, the ones I do know, or have read about their ideas, strike me as inquisitive and informed people... I like that!
At least they would never tell you that you will be tortured for eternity if you do not believe what they believe...
kyra, your comebacks are pretty pathetic if you dont respect what other people beleive in you cant ask anyone to respect what you beleive in without respect you will get none in returne and as for me and majority of the other athiests here we certainly dont respect you and your disgusting comebacks especially when you make stupid attemtps to insault people
They just might be "jane of the jungle".
But you wouldnt know would you? No. you wouldnt. SO yeah for all you know they could be there. you cant disprove it, right? haha, so yes YOU keep entertaining me kiddo. =] Goodness, at least captainassasin knows what he is talking about, and makes his points plausible.
Be real "jane of the jungle"
I think that atheists admit the obvious, that god is a figment of the imagination.
kyra112: "evolution hasnt been proven either, and I think it sounds more stupid than a religion"
hmmm... you're probably too ignorant about it to even understand, like aliyah0137. I mean seeing as you apparently don't know that cells exist.
I AM A PROUD ATHEIST AND IM NOT RUDE OR MEAN YOU GUYS SHOULD WATCH WHAT YOU SAY AND NO WERE NOT STUPID IN ANY WAY WE JUST DONT BELIVE IN JESUS OR GOD UNTILL I SEE JESUS STANDING NEXT TO ME ILL BELIVE HE IS REAL UNTILL THEN HE ISNT TO ME AND YOU GUYS GOTTA STOP BAD MOUTHING ATHEIST THATS WHY THEY ARE RUDE TO SOME PEOPLE THANX BYE:)
Kyra112
"...I can prove my OWN religion..."
Here we go again. You are making an outrageous claim, as so may faithful did before you...
Would YOU be the one who could humor the rest of us godless suckers and take responsibility for what you claim and share that prove with us...? Pretty please?!
well, I understand that but I thought it seemed like she wasn't too sure if cells existed. I was using that for an insult.
I was going to say, I think it's funny that people believe in christianity and more so when they defend their f** religion
but I thought "that's too mean"
I have nothing against Atheists, I love everyone.
Open up my chest, grab my heart and cut it open...you will find Jesus in it.
Now, for an easier way: just ask Him into your heart and He will give you eternal life. It doesn't get any simpler or better than that!
I think it's fine - I'm one myself.
I don't find any religion to make 100% sense or to be 100% truthful therefor I chose to follow none. I believe in bits and parts of different religions but that's it.
There is no proof of god, a book isn't enough for me.
I myself am a christian, so I dont get how atheists dont believe in God. and, stephanie, if the Bible isnt good enough for u, then what about the theory of evolution? why arent we still evolving? why arent more primates becoming human?
I think the atheists are right, and I think deep down a hell of a lot of believers know it, and it scares the crud out of them, which is the real reason they whine about atheists but could care less about the Hindu next door.
agreed with susila
I don't have a problem with atheist, Christians, Muslims or WHATEVER belief there is...what I do have a problem with is when someone tries forcing their religious beliefs down MY throat.
I'm an atheist, and think all of this is very funny. It's really easy not to believe in God, and it's cool how even 'religious' people can achieve tolerance. I love posts like this.
I mean seeing as you apparently don't know that cells exist.
She knows they exist, she was just denying their existence for argument's sake... I dunno why...
I'm an atheist. I don't believe in God because there is no proof about whether he/she is real whereas science is proof. I just find it impossible to believe in God
Goodness, at least captainassasin knows what he is talking about, and makes his points plausible.
...speaking of which, are you going to respond?
Alright... before ANYONE else gets involved. BOTH SIDES (pro-evolution & pro-creation) need to learn/understand the difference between PROOF and EVIDENCE.
But why should it bother you? If a person chooses to believe, or not believe, in God, that's an individual choice, not your affair. You are not God.
"...To say there is proof that God exists would mean there is no longer 'faith'... It would then be knowledge :S?..."
...yah...?!
Yeha, yip Annv, think we're gonna wait eternity for that !!! ;-) Like we are still waiting for Eternal Life !!!
To say there is proof that God exists would mean there is no longer 'faith'... It would then be knowledge :S?
ii think iits there choiice iin liife,, But ii am totallyy agaiinst iit,, iits just not right to me,,
Hey Jane-of-the-Jungle, I am starting to think that they do not have it...!
Hey... is this tread still going?!
Any progress... people?
Obviously, it was a rhetorical question... Lol.
...makes you relax...
...AND think...
ummm ... they are people?
im a proud athiest
shakes head
touche ;)
