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My family and friends want me to believe.

Again<3 Asked by chey about 1 year ago, 48 answers.

Ok... I don't believe in God and all that stuff. And lately everyone has been calling me and 'atheist.' And so it may be true.
Well, my friends and family want me to believe in this so called, God and Devil.
They have made me read the bible,...

they have baptised me (which wasn't right), they have done all the things you can possibly think of. We have had a chat about God for practically a whole day straight, non-stop.

They just can't accept the fact that I don't believe in God.

God is not real, there is no way there is a god... And if you say he is real, do you beleive in unicorns? Because they are in the bible, am I right? ... people have said they are.
The bible is just a joke. A story they want everyone to believe so they wont be afriad to die, or whatever.

And I was reading an article and someone put, god is a belief nothing more. Religion is a mental virus, and it targets the weak mind ... that is totally true.

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Toadaly Answered by toadaly on Mar 29, 2008, 10:22PM
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chey, we can give you some ideas, but the ultimate approach to take is up to you.

Some options:

1. Openly rebel. You're 15 (?). There really isn't much they can do to stop you, except to quit giving you luxuries.

2. Get hold of a Black Bible, and tell them you're now a Satanist. After a few weeks, drop the charade and tell them you think that's silly after all and you don't believe in gods and devils. They'll be so glad you're not a Satanist they'll cut you slack on religion.

3. Lie. Pretend to be a Christian to the minimal extent necessary to end the persecution until you move out.

4. Obstinance. Just never again discuss religious matters with them, no matter what. You have to stick to your guns if you take this approach.

5. Try to deconvert them. Inform yourself about philosophy and the history of Christianity, and use it as a weapon. They'll back off into a detente position if they start to feel like you are a threat to their own faith. This is my personal favorite, since it's a position of knowledge, and it's the approach I've taken. But it requires more work.

...whatever you decide to do, I second eleni's sentiment. Welcome to the reality based community.

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joe Answered by kayleelovesjoejonas on Mar 29, 2008, 02:15PM
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God is real it might be hard to believe but think about it if he isnt real who made the earth I believe there is a God and he loves you believe me if you just believe you will go to heaven it will be worth it all

joe Answered by kayleelovesjoejonas on Mar 29, 2008, 02:22PM
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o and p.s. I hope I see you in heaven

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me.. Answered by estrella on Mar 29, 2008, 02:23PM
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I think none has rights to force you to believe something you don't want to believe.We all believe in different things,we are different..Being to much religious isn't too good..My mothers brother was very religious,he believed Jesus,god,but after some time he just became stupid like mental,because he was too much religious,he thought he was god,every night he used to sing [God] opera songs...it was awful...people who are too much religious,they just go crazy..I think that,have seen that...

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Answered by amblessed on Mar 29, 2008, 02:23PM
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A person either 'accepts' or 'rejects' Jesus Christ - you've made clear your choice - know both choices come with consequencies and no-one is guaranteed the next 5 minutes...I hope you'll have a Damascus road experience before it's too late...you're in my thoughts and prayers.

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Again<3 Answered by chey on Mar 29, 2008, 02:36PM
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Thats what I have told everyeone, that they cant FORCE me into believeing, but they just arent listening to me.

Thinking Answered by askegg on Mar 29, 2008, 02:37PM
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You have reason, logic, evidence, and rationality on your side. Don't let them get you down.

Here are a couple of questions to ask them:

1) If the universe is so complex and vast that it MUST have a creator, then by the same logic the creator must also have a creator (being even more complex and vast than the universe).

2) If god does not require a creator (note the complete lack of evidence provided when they make this claim), then surely something less complex does not need a creator either (such as our universe).

3) Let's assume there WAS a creator - how could you tell an infinite, uncreated universe from one that was created? Devise an experiment to prove your case and present the evidence.

4) If they actually manage to prove a creator (they can't), then ask which deity this creator actually is. It is equally probable that Zeus, Vishnu, Allah, Yahweh, Baal, or Xenu (along with all other possible deities) were responsible. Please provide evidence that the god you believe in is actually responsible.

5) If god is try to save us from Satan, then why doesn't he just blink Satan out of existence? In fact, why did god create Satan in the first place?

6) Why is our free will to choose so important that god will keep it intact at the expense of billions of souls that will suffer in the eternal flames?

7) Why are there so many versions of the unchanging, inerrant, word or god bible? For that matter, why did god provide so many holy texts which are deeply incompatible with each other?

8) Please explain the tremendous lack of evidence for many of the stories in the bible. We have no evidence for creation (see above), global floods, people wandering the desert for 40 years, part of the seas, etc

9) Please explain the creatures mentioned in the bible such a unicorns, leviathans, and talking donkeys (just like Shrek - see Numbers 22)

10) Where is the physical evidence for the existence of Jesus. Why do we know exactly what happened before and during his supposed birth (3 wise men, virgin birth, stables, etc), yet we can not place where the son of god was crucified, buried, or ascended into heaven.

11) Why is the date of Easter determined by the lunar cycle? Surely if we know about Jesus's birth in such great detail someone might have noted the day all mankind was saved?

12) Why is there a huge gap in the records of Jesus the Messiah's life? We have no real idea what he did growing up.

Twelve should do it happy

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Again<3 Answered by chey on Mar 29, 2008, 02:44PM
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I'll be sure to ask them all of that. Thank you askegg.
I hope it will work. xD

joe Answered by kayleelovesjoejonas on Mar 29, 2008, 02:45PM
59 answers

look if you dont want to beleive than fine but remember and dont say that I did not tell you but youll be sorry if you dont

Answered by amblessed on Mar 29, 2008, 02:51PM
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Yeah, how dare they CARE !!

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Again<3 Answered by chey on Mar 29, 2008, 02:52PM
56 answers

how will I be 'sorry' if I dont believe in god?

Thinking Answered by askegg on Mar 29, 2008, 02:53PM
169 answers

Kayleelovesjoejonas,

Your scare tactics won't work here.

Believing to avid punishment can never to true belief. Would you all knowing god see through your deception and cast you into the eternal flames for breaking one of the 10 commandments?

Besides, what kind of all loving god would punish people for the simple crime of not believing?

in addition, you assume that there is only one god to choose from, but why shouldn't I have faith in any one of the other deities to choose from. Many of them also tell us their god will torture us forever if we do not believe in them. I don't know about you, but I find it very difficult to try believe in all god simultaneously.

Pascal's wager is is 300 years old - get a new argument.

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joe Answered by kayleelovesjoejonas on Mar 29, 2008, 02:57PM
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well you can believe in your false god and I will believe in my real one o and the only reason that god would do that to them is because he made them 4 1 perpose 2 believe and love him like he does you and me

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Again<3 Answered by chey on Mar 29, 2008, 02:59PM
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oh please. .

Thinking Answered by askegg on Mar 29, 2008, 03:01PM
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Actually, I don;t believe in any god - let alone a false one.

If god created as all with one purpose in mind (to love him), then he failed utterly as there are millions who do not believe in him.

Furthermore, what kind of vanity is required for an all loving god to create something for the express purpose of worshipping him? That seems extraordinarily ego-centric to me.

joe Answered by kayleelovesjoejonas on Mar 29, 2008, 03:02PM
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o please yourselfe

Again<3 Answered by chey on Mar 29, 2008, 03:09PM
56 answers

There are plenty of reasons there is no god.
1) Lack of Evidence.
2) Contradictions of Scripture.
3) The concept of God is Incoherent.
4) Belief in God is Irrational.
5) The problem of Evil.
6) Religion is a shield from Reality.
7) God may not care about the World.
8) The arguement of Incompetence.
9) The mind is easy to trick.

me Answered by vv_dhs_011 on Mar 29, 2008, 03:10PM
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im Catholic and well I bliev in god I mean it answers somke of my ? to why there are the things that they are o and I also bliev in Jesus, and the virgin Mary!!!

Again<3 Answered by chey on Mar 29, 2008, 03:13PM
56 answers

There’s no evidence for God whatsoever. Sensible theists admit that their belief is founded on nothing but faith, but there are always those who claim to have evidence of irreducible complexity, healings, out-of-body experiences or other such stupid notions and treat them as evidence for the existence of their particular God. Don’t believe them. The truth is, if someone managed to prove God, it would be instant news on all news channels, through all media, everywhere. It would be an unprecedented landmark in human history. Of course, there is absolutely no evidence at all that there is a god.

Shark Atack Answered by funadvice on Mar 29, 2008, 03:49PM
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chey, you sound pretty together and you also seem to have given this some thought.
more power to you.
faith because of fear is nothing.
think what you want.
don't let anyone try to scare or bully you into anything.
if your family wants you to believe, that is their right.
just as it is your right not to believe.

joe Answered by kayleelovesjoejonas on Mar 29, 2008, 03:55PM
59 answers

look your friends and family are not trying to hurt you they care about you and chey I Will pray for you cause I care

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