How do you put eyeliner on your lower eyelid?

I'm what you would call goth/emo/punk whatever, I hate labels but thats the type of eyeliner/eyeshadow look I go for, but I have major trouble with putting eyeliner on my lower lid, it either looks like I'm a racoon, or it goes in my eye, I can't use...

liquid eyeliner either. What would be the easiest method?

I hate labels too =]. If you cant apply with pencil or liquid eyeliner I cant say that there is another option that I know of! Why cant you apply with a pencil what happens?

are you using the right color or brand? I finally found a shade that works for me, and doesnt give me that racoon look. if you like it to be really dark, you need something that is waterproof so it wont bleed as the day goes by. my baby sis likes hers dark, but she uses the liquid stuff. yuck! she also uses a charcoal eyeliner, which seems to stay in place better than anything else.

I can apply it with a pencil, but it's hard for me, I can't put liquid eyeliner because I get some sort of reaction from it, like allergies or something

you put it right where the bottom eye lashes grow out from

This is how I do it, although I don't do the whole mass amounts of eyeliner thing, just a touch when I want to accentuate my eyes. You hold the bottom of your eye down so you should see a little space in between your outer skin and your eyeball. I started off holding it down with one hand and applying it with the other, but now I can do it with just one hand. It's hard to explain over the computer.

Ask your mother or a female friend if they can explain it to you. Or perhaps give you a visual demonstration. This will give you the idea.

pull your eyelid waaay down lol

I hate lables. but if you look goth/punk etc.

it'll go under your eye a bit. but if you like your ... w/e...

then it works fine.

lol

tickles a bit

well, if you have a friend or relative who is an expert at this, than you should go to them. my friend taught me and it's really easy (hopefully I'm not rubbing that in your face...). or you could just ask somebody in the salon

I have a problem with keeping it on the lid right wear its spose to be but if your eyelashes are somewhat thin near the bottom just put a bit more mascara that usual and that should help but it just takes practice I guess get someone to help you