A chance to convince me to convert(christians)

Yeah, that's right. I'm sick of people saying well you never gave God a chance. I use to be a fricken Christian, what more do you want. I've even been to church, I've even debated with the sunday school teachers. But hey.

I've decided for the next 3...

weeks, maybe a month- depending on my mood, your attitude- that I will give you people a chance to see if you can't convince me to convert. Before anyone decides to Well simply read the bible I have, that's the main reason I don't believe in it. My knowledge of the bible matches biblical scholars not to sound rude or snobby, I know more than a lot of the people who choose to follow the religion(note I said most, not all).

To tell you a bit about myself you have a more fair chance,

I enjoy asking questions
I enjoy challenging people, pushing them to their limits
I want to know why how things work
My quest for knowledge wisdom is never ending
Oh, I also study research religions, myths, legends as well as many different types of science history.

I will be open minded but I will also challenge you, so be prepared.

You can answer here, funmail me, or if you want my e-mail or AIM just ask

If you Don't convince me within the time provided, I don't want you to talk to me about the religion again.

Let the challange begin!

I understand that you know, but people really do chose to be what they want. Those people can't help themselves because it's a poor country you know. But I'm talking like here in America, americans can help themselves, but they don't want to. That's why there is so many lazy people. You get them in a comfortable spot, and then they just stay there and don't worry about helping themselves. They're is always something they can do. Like I wasn't born into a wealthy family, but with God we make enough to get whatever we need, and more. I understand he preached to the poor, but in spirit. Like the Jews would be classified as the Rich, and the Gentiles the poor. Because the Gentiles didn't have the same opportunity as the Jews. Like the Cananite woman. You know healing wasn't for her or her daughter, but she believed and had faith and Jesus saw that in her. He sad he wouldn't give the master's food to the dogs, and she said even the dogs eat of the crumbs that fall off their table.

I dont belive and god im not a christian but I do belive and hell and heaven wats th point and not beliven thts ther sumfink better after death ... but sumtimes whn I and help I don't pray and it seems too help me even tho I don't really belive either x

***I dont belive and god im not a christian but I do belive and hell and heaven***

...well that's certainly pointless and contradictory...

Looks like you're out of luck, they'll try convert those that DON'T want to listen to them...better luck next time.

I DO NOT want to be converted I'm NOT asking to be
I'm a proud witch
But I'm sick of people saying I need to turn from my ways of sin
That I need to giv the true path a chance
SO
I decided to do just that
This is their chance
I am challenging those who think I should change giving them a chance to see what they have to convince me. That's it.

For questions with lifelong impact (or more), try reading things like the Bible not internet forums.

I'm jewish/agnostic. As you can tell from my previous answers regarding religion, I DO NOT support the bible thumpers or organized religion. We are usually on the same page about the 'frozen chosen' that visit this site.
But this question...sigh.

~*~For questions with lifelong impact (or more), try reading things like the Bible not internet forums.~*~

Holy crap, how ignorent can one be?
Have you not read a single word of my post?
Let me quote something I posted

Before anyone decides to Well simply read the bible I have, that's the main reason I don't believe in it. My knowledge of the bible matches biblical scholars not to sound rude or snobby, I know more than a lot of the people who choose to follow the religion(note I said most, not all).
Do you read?
Or do you not retain information for long
Or perhaps you just can't comprehend?

*** My knowledge of the bible matches biblical scholars

I seriously doubt that. But, I'll give you a chance to prove yourself anyway.

Q) Name two solid reasons why 1 Corinthians 15 is inauthentic.

(if you had to search ofr it, then your knowledge does not match that of *real* Biblical scholars (not to be confused with ministers and other apologists who have no idea what they're talking about but declare authority nonetheless).

Hi honey... (((hugs)))
I admire your courage and gusto, even your challanges, however, serving God, is not about a challange, it is about a heart attitude, and this can only come about between you and the Savior. What you are talking about is about the head, and the knowledge of the mind, etc. God is not about all of that, even though words are used to talk about his ways, and precepts.

He is Spirit, and he is love. Period.

A person can say or do anything they choose, but, until they bend the knee (and humble themselves to truly believe, Gods truths) there will never be true salvation.

God judges the thoughts and intents of the heart, and if you truly are sincere, he knows, and when you are, he responds, until that time, all one does is mouth words.

Their are many false converts in the world today, all you have to do is look around, to find them. Jesus standard are IF you love me, you will obey my commandments...

So, the bottom line is IF we are not doing what Jesus taught us to do, and applying his teachings to the best of our ability, we are showing, in effect that we do not love him.

I am not meaning to apply perfection by any means, because this is not what the scriptures are saying, however, I am trying to show the difference in head knowledge and heart knowledge.

When one believes with the heart, the head will follow. And it may begin with the head, but, it has to move to the heart, however, all of thisi s the work of the Holy Spirit, working within.

If you truly have a desire to know God, you will keep seeking until you find him. The scriptures also say that no one can even come to God, unless the Holy Spirit draw him, so, if you really are serious, then the Holy Spirit truly is working in your life, and one day, you will be totally convinced, and nothing nor no one would ever be able to change your mind again.

If or when you truly become a believer, I welcome you to the Kingdom, as a sister in the Lord.

There is a documentary called the star of bethlehem watch its http://www.bethlehemstar.com then tell me that everything that is and ever will be is just a coincidence just the creation of everything is 1x10^30 that it came out in a way that the universe wouldn't implode on itself

Oh jeez...another one of these. First of all it isn't about religion. It's about God. Not someone convincing you, you have to see it. You can know the bible front and backwards, and be a high learned scholar, but if you don't live it it's just a waste of time. Now I'm not talking about don't cut your hair, skirts, stoning people, nothing like that. We are supposed to live by the new testament not the old. That being from Acts, to Revelation. The reason why so many are on the fence about religion is because you study multiple religions. Seek God, not a religion. Second of all no one can just read the bible and so you understand it because the spirit of God is the one that makes you understand it. If your not saved or if you don't repent you don't have that spirit, you just have a humanly mind. There is so much going on around the world, from molestation, abuse, homosexualism, the economy...and people still can't realize and see the reason as to why this happens. The world has became so corrupt, and he corrupting it is man. Now let me tell you a little about myself. I grew up in church, but all I ever did was sleep. I didn't want to be there, and I didn't learn nothing from it. As I got older my parents got out of church, and I was so happy, but I didn't know that the result of doing that was going to hurt me in the worst way. My parents are separated, my mother isn't saved, but my dad is. She is in adultery with a man who whose aids. It's ridiculous. That's why I can say that this is real. Because I am changed. I was the worse person you could ever be around. Everything that came out of my mouth was curse words, negativity, rudeness, and that list could go on and on. When my mom left I tried marijuana, I didn't want to live anymore, and I didn't want to be around anyone. But the day that someone talked to me about God I accepted it, I ran with it, because I was in need of something that I had been searching for but couldn't find anywhere. Not in friends, not in family, not in school, not in books, no where. This is the God I'm talking to you about. The one who can forgive the worst sinner, the one who sent his son, his own son, to dwell inside of man and suffer all that he did so that you and I could have a chance to live life and life in abundance. This is my testimony, this is why I know that God is real, because he changed me. He can change anyone. Don't begin to contradict me, take it in and think about it deeply.

I have no need to contradict you...you contradict yourself...

***First of all it isn't about religion. It's about God

***the one who sent his son, his own son, to dwell inside of man and suffer all that he did so that you and I could have a chance to live life and life in abundance.

Yes, it IS about religion...it is about the CHRISTIAN religion...When you bring up christ you bring up christianity...

so knock off the it's not about religion crap...

Before I begin I want to make sure you get this. Please let me know when you do get it. I have tried to respond to people just for it to not be sent for whatever reason. thanks.

First of all, wait, Christ is in the bible, not necessarily a Christian Religion, but nice try. Any religion reads the bible, and Christ is in it. Second of all, this is about God, about serving him, not trying to convert anyone. It's about a relationship with him. Religions are so corrupted already with people saying, oh come join us, or come over here. People are drawn to what they want to hear. I didn't say, oh come to christianity because it's the real deal, I'm saying come to God because he is the real deal. Christianity that yall are accoustomed to hearing about is Cheap Christianity, that oh don't do this, but yet they do it themselves. That's a hypocrite. They contradict themselves. Not everyone is like that. I speak of my personal experience. I speak of what God has done in my life, not someone elses, not someone from the bible, but in me.

***Any religion reads the bible, and Christ is in it.

Christ is not in MY bible. I am jewish and our bible DOES NOT include the New Testament. Get your facts straight...not all religions read or believe the Christian Bible which includes both the old and new testaments.

***The one who can forgive the worst sinner, the one who sent his son, his own son, to dwell inside of man and suffer all that he did so that you and I could have a chance to live life and life in abundance.

Your reference is not a casual 'christ is in the bible'...it refers to a belief that christ was the son of G-d and through belief in him you have a 'chance to live life and life in abundance' Again...that is a CHRISTIAN belief...the primary tenant of christian belief. Jews do not follow that tenant, muslims do not follow that tenant, bahais do not follow that tenant, buddhists do not follow that tenant...but christians do.
I am not talking about all the little 'rules' laid down by different denominations...I am talking about the basic tenant of christianity...belief that Christ is he son of G-d and that through belief in him, you go to heaven.

So...YES, you are talking about the christian religion...

Ok. Well salvation is first for the Jew, and then for the Gentile. Just like those stubborn people who didn't believe that Christ was the son of God, to this day I can still see that this is still thought. It's Christian religion, but I'm not part of how people view so called Christians. All I'm saying is that God has made a difference in my life, it's a fact. It's what I live. I've come so far, and to let go of what I have and agree with everyone else is foolish. I know that no matter if you don't agree with me, this word has been given, and it can bless or condemn you. God's word doesn't come back void. You can continue to believe what you believe, but at the end, we will know the right truth. Jews are the choosen people of God, that's a great privilege, but these people are still in the mind frame that Christ isn't the Son of God. Just because you believe that Christ is the Son of God doesn't win you a spot in heaven either. It's your work for God. Your obedience towards him, and your righteousness. Just by confessing he is the Son of God isn't enough. That's the difference between the Cheap Christians, and us, my ministry.

Jews do not believe that Christ was the son of G-d. Jews are not stubborn on that issue...it is their belief.

***Just because you believe that Christ is the Son of God doesn't win you a spot in heaven either. It's your work for God. Your obedience towards him, and your righteousness. Just by confessing he is the Son of God isn't enough. That's the difference between the Cheap Christians, and us, my ministry.

No, that is the difference between christianity and EVERY other religion...jesh

And now..I can't help but ask...what is YOUR ministry?

YO people
Stop the bickering

Not to offend jesusistherockonwhichistand but your story matches that of many others who convert to Christianity or just take up the beliefs of the bible.
A traumatic event happens event happens that tends to change on for the worst
You loose your drive, motivation, sense of purpose
A feeling of abysmal emptiness sets in
Some will cope by becoming involved with risky behaviors, some becoming depressed, some develop anger management problems
Things appear to move about in an on going descending spiral reach a point of desperation
at this state of desperation that one will try anything that they believe may help them
it's also at this point state of mind that people are guidable someone will come about, usually with a sad story, introduce the bible to them claiming it helped me, it will help you.
It's all in the mind.
The universal law of attraction states positive will attract positive, negative will attract negative.
You were in a negative state of being that attracted negative happenings to you. When the person who came along showed you the way, he made you feel understood, that you weren't alone that there was indeed hope, which put you in a more positive state of being which in turn attracted more positive happenings, thus you put more effort energy into being a more positive person. You reap what you sow.
Oh
By the way,
Yes I have been saved. When I was a young child didn't know any better, yeah, I was saved.
I guess one can say that I do live by Jesus words, though not intentionally, it's just the type of person I am.
I believe that if I have wronged I should try make up for it, or repent for it
Treat others the way I want to be treated, though from time to time I see that it may be moot treat others as they are treating me in certain situations to convey a point.
Hell, if I were to die tomorrow I'ld be insured a place in heaven, hence I'm a virgin, by choice. I could slake my needs any time I wanted though I don't see a point in just doing it to be done, I'm just not that way.
I'm a strong believer in you reap what you sow so I try to send out positive try to push myself give the best of my efforts so that it may payoff when it returns. It's really just that simple.
One needn't read the bible of live by the bible to live a moral, fulfilling, happy life.

And yes, you ARE talking about Christianity as Utopia has stated btw.
and really, why should anyone have to believe that Jesus was son of God?
What archeological proof do you have?
And what makes this story different form all others?
It's not the first story of a virgin birth or the first son of a God
Zeus impregnated Leda
Perseus was the son of Danaë, also impregnated by Zeus
Horus, Son of Isis, a virgin
The birth of Krishna
the list goes on and on
Btw
I highly doubt Mary was indeed a virgin. The women on her blood line are full of wh*res and pr*stitutes.
It was common in pagan religions for the Goddess to be called The Virgine Goddess
It's also common for their children to be born in caves, stables, and MANGERS, which are symbols for that of a mother's the womb.

Also, the SUN Gods were born again on Yule after laying dead for 3 days(Sound familiar?)
It has been accounted that the historical Jesus, if be one,( I think there may have been, but like King Arthur or Merlin-yes there was an actual Merlin believe it or not, though nothing like the stories of coarse-, the stories were blown way out of proportion) would of been born in the Spring, not the winter.

But really, even if all this is true, even if there is no archeological proof evidence,
What would make this different from any other religion?
Really, it looks to me like it's reaping it's practices and rearranging stories from other, and older, beliefs and practices, even the confessions and communion sacrament, even celibacy, all these practices were a part of Isis-Orisis Cult long before Christianity.
Anyone mind explaining this???

No, I'm not trying to start an argument or debate, I stated I was going to challenge people, and I am a curious cat, so expect me to ask questions.

And yes silverwings, I will try praying, and I will take it as seriously as I possably can

EASTERJOLLY
I'll read the site, as for watching the DVD, it depends, are you buying it for me???
I personally don't have the money to be spending right now.

Toadaly
Hmm… can't say I know for sure(so don't quote me), but I'm going to give it a whack.(knew I should of paid more attention to it XD)
There is no account of Paul's arrest in Ephues(sp?)
I know there were 7ral traces of inauthentic letters in the early church composed in Paul’s name, if I'm right this would be one of them
Wasn't fragments of this written at several different times to meet different situations out of order?, or is that the second one I'm thinking of? OR was it the texts were lost and the so called important parts of it were later written in, filled in the blanks.
Yeah I'm scribbling down gibberish, its right at the edge of my mind but I can't bring it to light -_-
So I must admit, I don't rightfully know.

Sorry I took so long to write back. My computer froze they day I tried to write back, and it totally just didn't let me post what I had written. I also have been busy because we just had a concert outside of a local business in my town, and I had orientation for college. Our ministry is Christian. We aren't your typical everyday Christians though. We speak the truth, we don't candy coat anything for you, we're not after your money like most pastors and ministries are. Most Christians are scared to speak the truth, and I don't want to be classified as that Christian. If I was that Christian I probably wouldn't be writing back, I too like a challenge. Yes when I came to God I had a need, I wasn't doing bacd, I just wasn't content with my life. Come to find out there is so much more happiness in God. As for Mary, I see you mentioned that, that's what Catholics worship. I find it foolish to think that by kneeling down in front of a mute idol, it's going to grant you your wish. Like rubbing budda's stomach for luck, that's stupidity. I don't believe that God deserves scaps, he deserves the best. Catholics believe that they continue to sin during the week, and then on Sunday, that can confess their sins to a mere man. One who probably is nothing near to holy. They beleive in that one saved always saved, and once forgiven always forgiven. That's not true. You can lose your salvation. As for being saved as a child you obviously did because everyone else was, or you thought that that was expected of you. Like a force. Salvation is something that you have to be a 100% sure about. 100% knowledgable about. Jesus wasn't the son of God. Christ was the son of God. Jesus was the son of Mary, of a human being. Christ was a spirit that God sent into man so that the heavens would open and there would be salvation. That makes Jesus Christ. Jesus son of man, Christ son of God.