Why should i feel in debt to jesus?

Serious question here.
Jesus died on the cross to absolve my sin many many years ago. I was born indebted to him because of what he done for me. Why? He willingly died on the cross out of love and compassion on the cross. To me, that says he died...

without expecting compensation, without expecting to be paid back. And besides, I never asked him to. Where is my say in this? I’m feel a little guilty that he may of done so if he had ever existed, but still, I’d rather take responsibility for my actions, bare my own sins, and work to repent and for redemption. Not just throw my burdens on someone else’s shoulders to bear. Again, I never asked anyone to die for my sins, I take responsibility onto myself and myself alone, so why should I be indebted to anyone, especially when I never asked.

So basically, your argument sums down to God doesn't have to be good, because he's such an amazingly powerful guy. And besides, he owns you. Also, despite engaging in and actively encouraging the slaughter of millions of innocents throughout the ages, something as trivial as lying to your parents is enough to justify being raped to death by invading troops that he sent.

Is that about the shape of it? Because even if I thought this god existed, I wouldn't want to worship any being with so little in the way of morals and compassion.

Being indebted to yourself is where Karma takes place...

Because your sin is way to much for you to bear. Yes jesus did do it out of compassion and love. John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
I dont think God ment for us to feel in debt but to realize that we are sinners and someone is there to take our sins for us.

Well, there's an argument for Christianity...

I can sin as much as I want to, and I'll still go to heaven, because Jesus took it upon himself to die for me and my sins...

Does this sound flawed to anyone else?

Also, why did he arbitrarily pick that day to die, what about all those people before then, apparently they bore their sins pretty well...

I agree entirely. I'd rather live in a world where my deeds mattered than one where my allegiance to some higher being was all that counted in life.

~*~ Because your sin is way to much for you to bear~*~
as ty stated(beat me to it ;p lol)
What about the people that lived far before Jesus? Or did they just go to hell? If so, perhaps the question is why didn’t he come sooner?
And who says it's too much for me to bear, you? Sorry, but you're human as am I, and you don’t even know me. Jesus bared his sin and the sins of others. I should be able to bare at least my own. Perhaps I’ll stay a virgin my whole life, who knows.
I never asked anyone to absolve my sin for me.
I see it a being irresponsible pawing off your sins to another, and it could also be called lazy. Laziness is a part of sloth, and sloth is sin!

Humanity IS flawed, yes. But without flaws there would be no room for improvement!
Thus, humanity must be flawed so there can be room for improvement. Perfection is a man made illusion.

Islam teaches that each person is born in a state of spiritual purity, but upbringing and world pleasures may corrupt us.
Each person will bear responsibility for his or her actions.
(.. man can have nothing but what he strives for) quran(53,38-39)
(who receives guidance, receives it for his own benefit : who goes astray does so to his own loss : no bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another ..) quran(17,15)
The concept of original sin doesn't exist in Islam, sins are not inherited and not even Adam and Eve will be punished for their sins, for God has forgiven them.

***Well, there's an argument for Christianity...

I can sin as much as I want to, and I'll still go to heaven, because Jesus took it upon himself to die for me and my sins...

Does this sound flawed to anyone else?***

No, you cannot, it does not work that way. Everyone thinks it does but it does not. I still believe that I will give an account of what I did in my life. Sin will only weigh that account down.

***What about the people that lived far before Jesus? Or did they just go to hell?***

We also believe that The people back then looked forward to Jesus just as we look back to Jesus. Yes, they had to sacrifice animals and somtimes humans. And most of the humans that were sacrificed were from war or wrong doing. I can think of one that was not and even then, God did not tell him to sacrifice her; he picked to. Now that Jesus came as the SINLESS God (in form of a human), as a perfect sacrifice, we can lay our budens on him. If you want to try the other way, fine, but I really believe you will not be able to.

***I see it a being irresponsible pawing off your sins to another, and it could also be called lazy.***

It's not lazy if you believe what we believe. We believe he created us and that trying to carry our own sins would be to hard for us. He wants to give us rest from trying to bear our sin, as most of us have tried.

An even better question is if god is all powerful why did his son have to be killed for him to forgive our sins and allow us into heaven, could he not have done that any ways?

God is rightous and because of it he can not look upon sin. Because of that we needed a sacrifice for our sin, so he could save us.

God created something that he couldnt do? This is the old argument of can God create a rock too heavy for him to pick up... If he cant create the rock, that means God isnt all powerful, and if he can create it, but then cannot pick it up, then he cant be all powerful...

Also, why did God create people and angels in the first place knowing they were going to sin, and knowing he wouldnt be able to look upon his own creations (again, which doesnt make him all powerful).

*** Again, I never asked anyone to die for my sins

Well, the idea that someone innocent can die, and that somehow absolves your crimes, is not only nonsense, but antithetical to the concept of justice. If God were just, he would neither demand the sacrifice of an innocent (to include himself), nor accept it.

***God created something that he couldnt do? This is the old argument of can God create a rock too heavy for him to pick up... If he cant create the rock, that means God isnt all powerful, and if he can create it, but then cannot pick it up, then he cant be all powerful...

Also, why did God create people and angels in the first place knowing they were going to sin, and knowing he wouldnt be able to look upon his own creations (again, which doesnt make him all powerful).***

God did not create sin; the devil did when he sinned. God made people so he had someone to have a realationship with. He gave people a free will to do wrong and right, because he could not have a realationship with a robot that did everything he said without a choice.

***Well, the idea that someone innocent can die, and that somehow absolves your crimes, is not only nonsense, but antithetical to the concept of justice.***

In God's book it's not.

Let's say you stole one million dollars from a bank (not that you would), and the court gave you a fine double of that and you are worried you will not be able to pay it; you know you cannot carry that burden. But a man walks up, a rich man in your family, that loves you very much, and lays down two million dollars in front of you. God would not call that nonsense, he would call that compasion. It would not go against justice, for the price would have been paid.

In fact, Jesus did exist… ask any historian scholar,..
Anyway,.. If you were in the hospital in an emergency room unconscious and bleeding to death, the doctor wouldn’t wait and hope that you wake up so that he could ask you if you wanted to be saved. The doctor wouldn’t pause and contemplate if you will in the future feel in dept to him or not…
To understand why some people feel in debt to Jesus, it’s important to first understand the seriousness of sin and evil in the world in contrast to the righteousness of God and heaven, the perfect place. Everyone has sinned and everyone (no matter how good they are) falls short of the glory of God. Because of sin’s corruptible nature, no one is perfect… and because no one has perfect righteousness, no one can enter a perfect place like heaven… in fact, because God’s standard of righteousness is so far beyond the righteousness we can ever achieve, this is the very reason why we cannot earn salvation through our own good works… what a bad state we are in! If no one can enjoy eternal life then what hope do we have? God would have to intervene.
(Romans 6:23) “For the price of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus”
Even though God knew we would not have fully understood His heart, that still did not stop Him from taking our place on the cross… It’s not about whether you feel in debt to Him or not… God doesn’t want from you, He wants for you…

***God did not create sin; the devil did when he sinned.***

And who created the devil, and was omniscient, so knew exactly what happened? You can't be the creator of everything, with foreknowledge of what will happen, and not bear responsibility for the consequences of your actions.

***The doctor wouldn’t pause and contemplate if you will in the future feel in dept to him or not… ***

He also wouldn't torture me for all eternity if I didn't thank him and pledge allegiance to him.

beat me to it arachid

but also, with the doctor case, he WOULD expect you to pay him, it's his job, it's how he makes money. And if you didn't want ot be saved, you could always choose to kill yourself afterwards, it's that simple, and should not be compare with the situation at hand.

~*~'s say you stole one million dollars from a bank (not that you would), and the court gave you a fine double of that and you are worried you will not be able to pay it; you know you cannot carry that burden. But a man walks up, a rich man in your family, that loves you very much, and lays down two million dollars in front of you. God would not call that nonsense, he would call that compassion. It would not go against justice, for the price would have been paid~*~
I would not take it. What part of, I bare responsibility for my actions. You reap what you sow, I sowed a bad seed and it came back to bite me in the @$$ so my penance would be sitting in jail and doing whatever you do in jail until my time is up. It’s not too much for me to bear. Again, another situation and should not be compared with the situations at hand.

As for evil is all in a person’s perspective.
God created Satan, he created man, he created everything in existence, thus the responsibility of sin fall on his shoulders.

God made us the way he did, I’m sure there’s something he could of done differently, without effecting free will, that would change that. He’s God after all. The question is, wh didn't he?

***And who created the devil, and was omniscient, so knew exactly what happened? You can't be the creator of everything, with foreknowledge of what will happen, and not bear responsibility for the consequences of your actions.***

Of course he knew the devil would sin, but without two sides for the first peope to pick from there would have not been free will.

***I would not take it. What part of, I bare responsibility for my actions. You reap what you sow, I sowed a bad seed and it came back to bite me in the @$$ so my penance would be sitting in jail and doing whatever you do in jail until my time is up. It’s not too much for me to bear. Again, another situation and should not be compared with the situations at hand.***

Yes, you might take the hard way and not get out of jail, but me, I would surely take the 2 million $ and try to, afterward pay him in whatever way possible. I would do almost anything for him. Same thing with God. He paid my way out with Jesus blood; some people are going to try the hard way. I'll take the easy path and serve him in whatever way possible.

***Of course he knew the devil would sin, but without two sides for the first peope to pick from there would have not been free will.***

First, that doesn't make any sense: Just because there isn't someone tempting me to do something I shouldn't doesn't mean I don't have free will.

Second, if God is omnipotent, he already _knew_ before he set the whole thing up what choice Adam and Eve would make - so isn't it a little cruel to punish them (and all their descendents!) for something he tricked them into?

beat me to it again arachnid
I need to get my @$$ in gear

And though it would be the hard way out, it was still a way out, I still beard responsibility. Just taking the money doesn't show any sign of responsibility.

Every time this issue comes up, the SAME series of questions are asked, and the SAME excuses are made, usually ending with some derivative of: ''You just don't understand because you don't believe.''

...such an overused cop-out...