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You can hate the sin and love the sinner? and yet you choose to insult me by calling me a sicko? tut tut rickd, what would jesus say about that?
As for 'natural design' is that decided by your bible? the bible that contradicts itself? (there are two creation stories and two stories of the ark) or the bible the accepts slavery, or condemns women from talking in church? or perhaps the bible that encourages killing a woman who has had sex before marriage?
He was trying to sell abstinence as the sure fire way to curb teenage pregnancy, geez, he may have been on to something there. LOL .are you sure these so-called Family planning clinics are really - Family - oriented? Or are they just another cash cow for insurance, and pharmecudicals using our youths own promiscuity for there profit? A lot of money is made off abortions, (or the killing of innocent babies defenseless in the womb). There are two sides to every argument. Abortion can no longer be defended with 'rape and incest' arguments, because they are such a low percentage of all abortions. Maybe it is time America takes a look at this problem. Who in there right mind believes Abortion should be a form of birth control? I think I will post that question.
Lol, yeah just like he was onto WMDs in Iraq... guess he was wrong on both counts? oh well... even presidents are allowed to be wrong, sometimes... or in his case, all the time?
Abortion was never defended as a rape/incest argument... it was defended as a woman's right to choose what to do with her own body... because until that fetus is out of her, it is part of her body, and it is not a person...
Perhaps if safe sex was practised there would be fewer pregnancies, resulting in fewer abortions (or does that concept make too much sense?)
because until that fetus is out of her, it is part of her body, and it is not a person...
That statement sends chills down my spine.
I am glad you are not my mother, dear lord, what is this world coming to. . .
until a fetus can sustain life it is part of the mother's body...
that is why late term abortion should be illegal...
and the 'just say no' method didn't work for drugs any better than it works for sex...
Lol, well fortunately I'm not the only one who doesnt think that until a fetus can survive on it's own it isnt a person...
If you have an issue with that, take it up with the supreme court...
Ofcourse you choose to ignore the fact that educating kids about contraceptives would reduce abortions...
The right has always been selective with their hearing...
To answer the original question, I don't believe that Bush was EVER trying to reduce abortions. He wanted to promulgate the religious view that sex outside of marriage is sinful, and those that do it have to be punished.
It can't be just the 'unborn child' argument, because then the best way to prevent and reduce the need for terminations would be to fully implement a program of education and prevention.
I would love to see an end to abortions due to the fact that educated and protected people would seldom need one. Every Pro-Choice advocate with any sense would.
Here's hoping...
Fetus, termination, prevention - You people amaze me, and scare me. You talk about human babies as if they are plant life or something.
Oh, and yes I am sure we will revisit this at the supreme court.
Hey ty, why dont you take a trip to the maternity ward tomorrow, OMG, you are sick!
Lol, you want me to see babies and what?
The fetus is not a baby... it's a ball of cells... if I chose to remove a ball of cells from my body, fortunately I still have that right...
And it is highly unlikely the supreme court will ever over turn it's decision.
Women have fought way to long for their rights to allow it to be taken away...
Rickd, you don't think the the prevention of pregnancy (birth control) is a bad thing...
do you?
No mebes, Birth control is one method of preventing un-wanted pregnancies, and like it has been said, the more informed our kids are, the less baby - killing there will be.
And I am sorry ty, I see you are just a mixed up young girl. I will pray for you.
Now excuse me, while I go watch cartoons with my little 'ball of cells'. -sicko
I'm sure President Bush is very interested in reducing need for abortion. He is a Christian and abortion, no doubt that weighs heavy on his heart as it does every Christian.
Researched Facts:
A fetus is a developing human.
God told Jeremiah - He knew him even before he was formed in the womb - spin it anyway you like but it's obvious Jeremiah was a person before, in, and out of the womb - to deny is to call God a liar if you so choose - I wouldn't recommend it.
Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Scientists: In 1981, at a Senate Judiciary Subcommittee hearing, this question was asked of geneticists and biologists, 'When does human life begin?' Dr. Micheline M. Mathews-Roth, Harvard Medical School, referenced medical textbooks that claimed that human life begins at conception. Dr. Jerome Lejeune, the 'Father of Modern Genetics,' stated, 'To accept the fact that after fertilization has taken place, a new human has come into being is no longer a matter of taste or opinion ... It is plain experimental evidence.' Dr. Hymie Gordon, Chairman, Department of Genetics at the Mayo Clinic, added: 'By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception.'
“Thou shalt not kill” (Ex. 20:13)
The Scripture says, 'Lo, children are a heritage of the Lord: and the fruit of the womb is His reward' (Psalms 127:3). If children are a heritage or reward for parents, abortion destroys God-given rewards.
It is true; some countries have legalized abortion. In no way can that alter the Word of God. 'Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My Words shall not pass away.'
God’s plan for your life always includes redemption. He longs to forgive you for all of your sins, including abortion. Sin separates you from God and needs to be confessed to Him. He will always forgive a repentant heart.
Nowhere in our Constitution or our history have we defined a 'developing human' as a citizen with full rights. Even children don't have full rights until a certain age. Why would we change this now based on Scriptures? Certainly, we can discuss these questions rationally but why do we need to bring religion into it?
To answer the question, I don't think Bush wants to stop abortion. It makes too much many and gains too many followers for the Religious Right.
Amblessed - the question was regarding Bush's policies against birth control...
not abortion...
A person against abortion USUALLY wants an increase on information regarding birth control because they realize it helps PREVENT an unwanted pregnancy...
Bush is trying to leave no option EXCEPT abstinence and that doesn't work...
lol rickd, as I keep telling your friend mebes, if there is a God, a lot of people will be surprised where they end up...
Matthew 7:1 “Judge not, that you be not judged.
It really is too bad 'christians' seem to forget that one in their endless list of quotes from the bible...
as for the bible...
Exodus 21: 22-25, reading from the Revised Standard Version, God said: 'When men strive together and hurt a woman with a child, so that there is a miscarriage and yet no harm follows, the one who hurt her- (speaking of the woman) - shall be fined, according as the woman's husband shall lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.' Verse 23 then says, 'If any harm follows, then you shall give eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, and life for life.'
http://www.lifeandli...
If any harm follows... the fetus is not being treated as a person here... however, since I dont consider the bible to be of any legal authority it really is besides the point
Ty, We can hate the sin, and love the sinner. I do not, and will not have to agree with everything this society deems 'politically Correct'. So while I love the so-called 'sinners' (I hate that term), I believe there are laws of God and Nature we should abide in order to live healthy, and have a relationship with our creator. You dont have to have a relationship with a 'creator', but to have inner peace, and health, both mental and physical, we might want to follow a natural design that ebbs and flows, and not our own unsteady will, brought on by selfishness and self-centeredness.






Is president bush not interested in reducing need for abortion?
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If President Bush were truly interested in protecting women's health and reducing the need for abortion, he would work to prevent unintended pregnancy. But his policies do exactly the opposite. The following list provides some of the ways President Bush has pushed his agenda against family planning and the right to choose:
1. Bush nominated anti-birth-control activist Eric Keroack to lead family-planning programs at the Department of Health and Human Services.
2. Bush has nominated far-right conservatives to the Supreme Court and lower federal courts who are determined to roll back reproductive rights.
3. The president's Justice Department, while under the leadership of John Ashcroft, tried to rifle through women's private medical records.
4. He doubled the funding for unproven 'abstinence-only' programs that deny young people accurate information on how to protect themselves.
5. President Bush's FDA appointees overruled medical experts to deny women over-the-counter access to the 'morning-after' pill.
6. Bush cut off family-planning aid for clinics abroad. He continues to limit access to reproductive-health care at home.
Why would Bush try to limit access to birth control when that is a sure fire way to decrease the need for abortions?