Ignorance & religion walk hand-in-hand

Ok I am tired of Religous fanatics (mostly christian) trying to impress their religion on you. When you debate your beliefs and they refer to the bible and tell you that your facts from books and common knowledge are disputable because of lack of...

evidence. I know Jesus was known to exist. But what the f*ck ?!?! He could have been another guy making peoples lives better. Like Dr. Phil. So in 2000 years when they find tabloids about Dr. Phil is he going to be the next prophet ? I see that Christians are scared of death and it makes life easier to believe that when you die you go to a happy place ... If you look at most religions they are based around one thing, a higher god. So if my books and knowledge are fake than isnt a 2,000 year old book that has supposedly gone unchanged fake as well ? Isnt Christianity another reason to blame their sins on something else than themselves ? I dont want to hear anyone preach because my prespective wont change. I dont want flames. I want someone who can either back me up or hold an intelligent arguement based on facts.

Wow, that was very, lets say... Expected. You see what I mean. People need reassurance in their life, their dependancy on other beings to make them happy. Why can't you make yourself happy ? Also when Jesus was living was a time when sea monsters ravaged the ocean, when dragons pillaged medi-eval towns. Now dragons were thought to be the latest version of dinosaur that went extinct during that time. Sea monster stories came from the sight of ocean dwelling crocadiles and giant squid. Now I cannot deny your enthusiasm in christianity but you need to look at the facts, the Bible is fiction, it always will be. It is like reading Tolkeins Lord Of The Rings and believing that lesser gods invented elves, humans, orcs, wizards, and the demons and they died out before we became intelligent and a new race of humans were born from it.

ok i cant contradict you nor back you up..but i do belive you hold a great point.i am still very young and i do not yet know what my religeous beliefs are.theyve baisically hoped around from one end to another for the past 3 years.the only thing i do belive in now...is myself and those around me.i agree that we alone hold they key to our success as well as to our failings.i do not belive that there is a god...nor do i wish there to be 1...but i dont belive every thing can be explained by science either.and although im not shure wheather god exists or not...i do think that ppl use him as a sort of escape...a place to put their sins and sorrows on instead of takin responseability.and as some sort of mask from what they fear.
afterall if god hated homosexuals would he have let them be....and isint the idea of god that he accepts all of his children as they are as long as they are good?
so why must all these religions ban homosexuals?
how is it that they belive god can pardon a murderer or a rapist but condem a fag???
have these religions not all been wrong...or am i simply a liberist trying to accept the sin that is loving someone despite of their sex...or race?
as ive said b4 im not shure what i belive....i have many thoughts and all of them vary
and i sumtimes contradict myself
well my state of mind is this.
accept every1 and dont judge because they can just as easily judge you.
well thats all for now
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Ive always found it increadibly ironic that bush goes on about islam fundamentalists on one hand but supporting the teaching of intelligent design (things are to complicated to explain, therefore they must have been created by a supernatural force. e.g. God) alongside evolution. This is a pint where i know i should keep a blank mind but it feel strongly that evolution is a scientific theory and intelligent design is poorly concealed creationism.

Its perfectly fesable to have christianity and science alongside each other but science doesnt pretend to be a religion (mostly) and it is silly for the church to pretend religion is a scientific theory.

Lol soz for the rant...

Great great comment, mr_smedheader. And mostly true, I really like it! First I have to tell you that I am not a religious person (but somehow spiritual). Yet, here are some of my beliefs:
Religion has always been used as a pretext, true and it has mostly a social function (social institution) and so on, but it gives people an epitome and this is good. Clearly it was modified during the ages and probably entirely written by people, but...not all the facts in the Bible are fiction. I guess it has some good part of the truth in it, and the rest was invented according to...the needs :D Don't forget that during the history of mankind, there were many works of the same kind, and they all have some things in common. Try reading a few books from Erich von Daniken, you will probably like them. They are good for all of you. Also, if you read Mahabharata, Ramayana, the Poem of Gilgamesh and so on, you will find some common points, although they were written long long before the Bible. So maybe like 5% of it is true, and the rest...belongs to the priests and to those who have copied it.

People have the need indeed for something...greater, to be guided/ruled?, because most of them are not up to it and because this way they escape the responsability of doing some things. You can see that before, the world was not as you see it today, and all that you mentioned are because of men's fault. Homosexuality? Too large a subject to discuss here. I would talk for ages about these enormous topics.

I also believe that you don't have the free choice that you think you have. You cannot choose almost or anything at all. I believe in fate. Proof: ask a gipsy /true fortune teller about your future and then try to change it. Really, that would be a life experiment! :D

Avoid the religious fanatics. They have a purpose for doing that. Believe what you want about religion, but my advice would be to avoid them.

Bye for now, I am curious about that test. It might be fun.

hey i took that test too although it was a while back...i got satanism followed by buhdisim...i dont remember the rest.lol

i too am nott religeous but spiritual.thats the perfect way to put it.oh and smed very briliant anology on your part there.sigh youre all so wise....lol

Buddhism 96%
Paganism 79%
Islam 63%
Hinduism 63%
agnosticism 54%
atheism 46%
Christianity 38%
Judaism 38%
Satanism 33%

Probly shouldnt post this in this thread but it is funadvice not seriousadvice :P so im gonna anyway. We love reincarnation hehe.

yay to buddists!!!!!!!!!!!!
and saintinist
but i prefer to stick with the massons
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I believe that some sort of ark (not arc) existed. Species back then were quite different from the species you see today. Most of them. Only the rest I believe to be fiction. Maybe a space ark? :D About the Pope doing that...no objection. It's over my head anyway.

Problem is tho that if you say species were different back then you agknowledge that god didnt create all animals as they are today and then you arent following the bible anyway :P

I am not following the Bible, it is obvious The theory of evolution is mostly correct. If we listen to it, man evolved from some species of small animal, almost squirrel-like. That I don't believe though. Changes in nature cannot be too important when you think in terms of intelligence, but can be great when you think in terms of adaptation. This is why man hasn't evolved from a sea creature or some squirrel :D I don't want to say more :D

Probably from NOTHING. It was probably created! The missing chain, no other similar evolutions in other species...why apes don't turn into humans anymore and so on. I believe man was created, and here we have a plus for the Bible. Maybe some old experiment, who knows...Oh, I mean...alien experiment, this way would be more correct. But who cares? :D

Ok Man hasnt evolved from monkey but from a distant relative. This shows your leangth of reason. Evolution is a known fact none the less a theory. This is why we have a thousand different kind of squirrells to fit all these habitats. I cant say more got to go to skool.

He he...what a basic question. Please read again. Man has evolved indeed, but only in the long run, if we consider the huge amount of time of evolution. I am saying that it had was and then, of course, it's evolved. But we are talking here about at least tens or hundreds thousand years. Evolution is right, of course, but only to some point. It explains how mankind has evolved, how it has survived (intelligence :P), but it cannot explain how mankind was created. This is clear. So I think in the first place man was created and then it's evolved. It might also be possible that mankind was created in multiple instances, and this might be the result of the obvious differences among the races. Because it's again unexplainable how man migrated from Africa to Asia or Europe, because the continents had split a long time before that and the rest should be obvious...impossible. Even if I were wrong here (I expect opinions), it is still obvious to me at least that mankind was first created and then it's evolved into the little squirrels that ask us how to masturbate better ) Just kidding here :P

my opinion
i couldnt give a fuck how man was created !!!only that we have been .but for what purpose......i mean has earth truly benifuited from our existence????all we do is destroy the planet!!!!ughhhhhh
and be incredibly stupid!!!haha
anyways idk know why i said all that im bored and i needed and argument thnx ppl
oh and dont comment this....its really not how i feel...not completely anyways...im just bored.
p3ac3
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lol ok
i dont have a religion...im just exploring my options for now
0.o
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and to tell you the truth sometimes im not even nshure god exists
yes i do belive in ghosts
im assumin u mean life and truth be it i dont know....but i dont much care
lol
ur welcum!!!!!!!!
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Mr. Smedheader, no offense, but if you read the bible/Torah properly you wouldn't have such questions. Have you ever heard of Rashi, he lived till the year 1064 and wrote a simple translation of the bible for which in his time, 5-year-olds could understand easily. I'm going to address your yellow block first with Rashi's commentary:
1)When were the luminaries created? They were created ont eh first day and on the fourth day He (G-d) commanded them to me suspended in the sky. Similarly, all the creations of the skies and earth were created on the first day and each one was fixed in its proper place on the day that was decreed upon it.
You may ask: Why did G-d create light first of all, only then to hide it?
Answer; Because the ultimate purpose of Creation is that G-d's presence should be revealed in the lowest realms therefore, at the very outset of creation G-d made a mission statement declaring what the ultimate purpose of the world should be - revelation; like an architect (so to speak) who draws up plans before creation.
2 )You say that the moon is not a luminary? The definition is: a) a celestial body, as the sun or moon. b) a body, object, etc., that gives light.
So, the moon gives light - it doesn't matter if it's light is from the sun.
It's close to 1 now, but if you care for me to continue, let me know.
And BTW, faith keeps people alive. It gives them something in life to have emotions for and care for other for themselves.

Well, you'll have to come with something better if you want to contradict mr_smedheader, because he is right about many things (not completely right, though!) :D

P.S: He's 100% right about the moon. About the rest...I don't want to start over :P

No offense, but you have to look at what the bible says word for word... a luminary is not a source of light and neither is the moon.
Originally, the sun and the moon were of equal size, since both were called great, but then the moon complained that two powers cannot share one realm. So God as Judge diminished its size. Because God diminished the size of the moon, God compensated it by creating additional heavenly bodies, the stars.
Yeah, I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but I stand strong in my faith and no one and nothing can bring it down.
Ye, Mr Smedheader is right in MANY things.

to me religion is warfare, religion is crap, wut matters to me is the relationship you have with god not wut church u go to,if u follow the bible and follow gods word thats all that matters

How can you look at this beautiful world and say God doesn't exist? I'm sorry that some people are forcing their beliefs at you. Just remember that not all christians are like that. God has done so much for me. He stayed by my side through my father's death. I felt so alone, but I felt comfort in knowing God was there with me.

Though there is no direct proof he's there, it's in your mind's eye. For example, I believe in the wind. I've never seen the wind, but I know it's there. How? We've seen the effects of the wind.

I believe in God. I've never seen God, but I know he's there. How? I've seen the effects of God. And it's a beautiful thing.