Free will and suchlike

Riddle me this...

God gave us free will.

God gave the 10 commandments, effectively removing 80% of free will.

What do?

Those are Laws set down for mankind to follow - to violate is sin - 'free will' comes into the picture, it's your choice/free will to 'obey or violate/sin against' His Law - both have consequences - no contradiction at all.

Just another contradiction of christianty.

LOVE IT!!!

The only area that 'free-will' seems to apply in Christianity; is in choosing whether or not to believe in the Christian God, and follow his rules.

By my standards, that 'free-will' is very restrictive...

Oh yeah, you torched their a$$ cap, you torched christianity's a$$!

even better he gave us free will yet he knows what we will do always and hes never wrong. There for if we did something different than what he knows we will do than he wrong but if we have no choise but what he already knows
there for 1 of these 3 things must be wrong
1. God gave us free will
2. God knows all things and everything you will do
3. God is never wrong

***Oh yeah, you torched their a$$ cap, you torched christianity's a$$!***

I'm not 'torching' Christianity... I'm merely stating that the majority of Christians, simply don't understand their own religion.

There's no such thing as free will as it's generally understood. Our thoughts are generated by our brains deterministically just like the rest of nature (ignoring quantum effects). We are biological robots.

Free will... follow or don't. Your choice.
Same as a site or law or anything else. Follow the rule or don't follow the rule.
Also, take the consequences for your actions.

Ditto...ditto...ditto...the CHOICE is there, and person FREE to decide which way they wish to go...

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It is not a choice to believe or not believe. I've seen the evidence, or lack there of, and have made my determination. I just can't ignore what I know and just suddenly believe in the supernatural. I could pretend to believe, but wouldn't the big guy in the sky know the difference?

Yes... but that doesn't mean that GOD gave him the freedom to do so...

It is no more a choice for me to believe in god as it is a choice for you to believe or not believe in santa?

Logic and experience tells you santa is not real, and no matter how much you might say you believe in him, in reality you really don't believe and would be just pretending.

I see no difference with believing in dieties.

Free will does not exist. Your own personal will does. Being able to choose or not choose is a conscious use of one's brain. Freedom never comes without a price folks. The freedom you enjoy in your country, (wherever that is) came at a heavy price. The death of soldiers, men, women and children. Pretty steep for us to be discussing so cavalierly this will we all exercise. The odd part is though that God gave us His Son as a sacrifice to pay for our freedom. So in essence He paid the ultimate price thereby nullifying the free in free will.

***Free will does not exist. Your own personal will does***

And is your personal will...FREE?? to choose what YOU want to do? Free will is exactly the same, even if you believe it comes only from within...it's all the peep hole...a viewpoint...

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I think you missed my point P. Yes, of course we choose to believe or not. And, yes our personal will is free in the sense that no one can make the choices for us. I was just stating that free will came at the price of Christ's death.

To me, there is a difference.. but I will also respect your choice of what you believe or don't believe. I think that is called agreeing to disagree in a decent way ?

The point I was trying to make was that, to me, it is not a choice. I can't suddenly turn off what I know about the real world and start pretending to believe in some mythical being that there is not one shred of evidence that it actually exists. Just as you couldn't do that with santa. I realize to you there is a difference. But to me there isn't. I Agree to disagree... lol

Freedom never comes without a price folks. The freedom you enjoy in your country, (wherever that is) came at a heavy price. The death of soldiers, men, women and children. Pretty steep for us to be discussing so cavalierly this will we all exercise.

gasmanobt3, where did this come from? What did this have to do with conversation?

***I was just stating that free will came at the price of Christ's death.***

So, you're referring to 'free' with respect to the cost of ACQUIRING it... where as WE are referring to 'free' with respect to USING it.

You can't use it if you haven't acquired it can you?

Yes... I can... because I already had it to begin with...

Well, clearly religion does give you more free will.

I mean, look at catholicism- if some random guy molests small boys, they get persecuted, and their names put on a sexual predators list. Whereas, if you're a priest, you can use that 'free will' God gave you to molest small boys, and it'll get covered up for you.

What's not to like?

I suppose that the worlds idea of free will... is that man can do anything that he pleases. right???

That is totally not, what God had in mind.

God's version of free will... means that man is given a choice.

To live for himself...

To live for Satan.

Or to live for God.

Earth ... is where all of this takes place.

Our future is being decided...

by the way we choose to live.