A 5 cent tax on each round?

So Obama wants to put a 5 cent tax on each round of ammo.
So... if I buy a value pack of 1000 9mm bullets that runs about $350... it'll cost me an EXTRA $50 in taxes???

So what is this tax for? For an encoded ammunition tax legislation. That is......

each round would have a serial number that would be registered to the purchaser. This would allow the state police to have an extensive and intrusive database on the ammunition purchasers.

So maybe guns won't be registered... but the ammo will. You have to have a GUN to use the ammo with right? That's a lil too close to comfort on my right to bear arms.

Why is that bad? Registration makes it easy for a tyrannical government to confiscate firearms and make prey of its subjects. Denying this historical fact is no more justified than denying that the Holocaust occurred or that the Nazis murdered millions of unarmed people.

Does this alarm anyone else???

I'm not trying to cling to my guns here (I DO live in Pennsylvania) but I do carry for my protection. You really don't know in this world anymore, and I don't trust anyone else but myself to keep me safe.

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Sika

If your carrying the gun and the ammo for your protection, what does it matter that he is keeping track of the ammo seriel numbers?

He's trying to help this country and help stop violence and to catch the people who actually commit crimes. Why is that so hard for people to understand.

comparing registering firearms and ammo to hitler banning guns and then killing millions of people makes you lose all credibility that you might have had. I see no reason why someone only doing legal stuff with their guns would even care other than the cost involved.

Umm... no, it'll because you an extra $5.

.05 x 100 = 5.0

Agreed with blerggher.

Denying this historical fact is no more justified than denying that the Holocaust occurred or that the Nazis murdered millions of unarmed people.

What historical fact? Can you actually point to an instance where a government has used gun registration to engage in wholesale confiscation of guns?

The US is extremely unusual in not requiring gun registration. It works pretty well in the rest of the world, and helps to prevent nutcases getting hold of guns.

$50?

It'll be $5...

I am very alarmed just by his 'stated' agenda, much less the hidden - we'll all just have to wait and see if his brand of 'Change' is good for America - maybe yes, maybe no - many today view Government as the 'answer to all/their salvation' and see Obama as 'Subsidizer in Chief' - I do know any eventual talk of 'taking away citizens guns' will be extremely serious - we shall see, stay tuned to details not spin.

sorry I meant 1000. The amount isn't the issue anyways... the reason behind it is.

First of all... gun registration HAS led to gun confiscation before. Before the night of broken glass... registered guns were confiscated from many jewish owners.
- http://www.xmission.com/~ranthon/hitler-and-guns.htm

Guns don't kill people PEOPLE kill people.
Do you really think that gun or ammo registration would prevent violent crime? First of all a CRIME is when you break the law right? So if you're already breaking the law(let's say murdering someone..) why would you care if you break the law by having an unregistered gun or ammo?

I care about this because law abiding citizens will follow the rules right? So you're disarming the good people and arming the bad people (who could give a rat's *** about any law...)

Obama does support a gun ban. He just doesn't think it would be politically practical. Regardless if it's Obama or not (I agree with some of his political views but not others...such as this)

Ammo registration is a step toward gun registration which is a step toward banning. While the process would take a long time to get to that point(in my opinion) it's still a step in the wrong direction that may seem harmless to some now.

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Sika

Guns don't kill people PEOPLE kill people

That reminds me of something a stand up comedian said , I can't remember which one..

Gun's dont kill people, people do... you know it would be really hard to shoot someone with your finger saying Bang Bang now wouldn't it.

Ammo registration is a step toward gun registration which is a step toward banning

I see nothing wrong with ammo and gun registration, what's the big deal, seriously? That WILL NOT lead to banning guns.

also... background checks keep nutcases from purchasing guns here from licensed sellers. So there's no need for registration.

But of course... anyone doing some illegal with their weapon will find an illegal way to get it.

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Sika

but when a crime is committed the ammo that person used will be very easily traceable, I don't understand what is bad about that. please explain without going into a conspiracy theory about how obama wants to take your guns.

why would someone who is going to commit a crime use a traceable round??

Unless of course they WANT to be caught.

And I'm not saying Obama would take my guns. I'm saying it's a step in that direction for someone sometime in the future to.

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Sika

No one is taking away your right to have guns.
People just want it to be easier to take guns away from people, because some people shouldn't have guns.

Guns being easier to take away from people doesn't mean they WILL be taken away from people, so what are you worried about?

sikashimmer: Actually, that page makes no mention of registration playing any part in the confiscation of guns in Germany, the Netherlands, or anywhere else.

See also this post from the straight dope: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1791/did-hitler-ban-gun-ownership

(In short, there was no Nazi gun registration or ban law)

***Guns being easier to take away from people doesn't mean they WILL be taken away from people, so what are you worried about?***

I have no worry that it'll happen anytime soon... but that's what it's indicative of down the road.

Sure in the US we're pretty safe, our gov. isn't going crazy anytime soon.
In case it does (even for the best intentions... like preventing gun crime)

I'd rather a rapist come toward me(a goody twoshoes girl) in the middle of no where wondering if I own a gun or not rather than already knowing I don't.

http://www.gunbanobama.com/Default.aspx?NavGuid=c3d25dd2-7abd-4f24-8efd-d62bd977d7c2ID=11574Type=1

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Sika

arachnid... your link just proved a point so thank you.

The Nazi's DIDN'T impose the gun registration

Indeed, there was no need for the Nazis to pass a law like that, because the earlier Weimar government had already passed gun registration laws. When I asked Cramer about his reasearch, he said, The laws adopted by the Weimar Republic intended to disarm Nazis and Communists were sufficiently discretionary that the Nazis managed to use them against their enemies once they were in power. In other words, they didn't need to pass additional laws. The Nazis did pass a weapons law in 1938, but that only added restrictions to the previous law, especially for Jews and other non-citizens.

Hitler didn't need to impose gun control because gun laws were already in effect (ironically, those original laws were in part designed to disarm the Nazis). Gun control helped the Nazis keep weapons out of the hands of their enemies

see where good intended registration can lead???

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Sika

so you are now comparing what obama wants to do to the nazi party. great job.

...are you trying to imply that ALL goevernments that implement registration is doomed to become an evil genocidal dictatorship?

Are you seriously saying that because something happened before it's definitely going to happen again?

Are you also saying that just because it's possible for registration to lead to confiscation it will definitely happen?

That's alarmist crazy talk.

comparing the newly elected president to hitler is not something a rational human being would do.

...I compared registration to registration ...not Obama to Hitler.

and I'm certainly not implying that it would lead to something as drastic as the holocaust... just we shouldn't all just shrug our shoulders like it doesn't matter.

There are things with McCain I didn't agree with and things with Obama I didn't agree with. I'm talking about an issue, not the competency of our leader. If McCain we're elected I'd be talking about his Health Care policies.