Your opinion on noah’s ark?

Could Noah have Built the Ark?

There is no possible way Noah could have built a boat 450 feet long which held together under its own weight, let alone also carried hundreds of thousands of animals, and floated on the tempestuous seas of the Biblical...

flood!

As an amusing illustration of how difficult it would be for Noah to have built a boat of the dimensions given in the Bible, this page describes a modern attempt to rebuild the Ark according to its given dimensions. Note the following requirements;
3,000 tons of cement, Five bulldozers, 76 cement pillars, 34 sway-brace pillars, 4-foot high, 9-inch wide foundation wall, Steel reinforcement rod, Anchor bolts, Substantial steel superstructure, So far taken 29 years

Could Noah have gathered all those animals?
The Bible seems undecided about how many animals entered the Ark. In Genesis 7 we read Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive. (Genesis 7:20). In the next Chapter we read Take with you seven of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and two of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, and also seven of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth. (Genesis 8:2 et seq.). Let's assume the former case, which is most regularly quoted

Creationists deny evolution. This means that the two of every kind of animal must have meant not just two of every single species, but two of every single sub-species.

There are some 9800,000 different insect species known in the world as a whole, he would have to remember to feed them all every day, remembering exactly what each one eats. In a day of 24 hours, assuming that he didn't sleep, that would give him fractionally under a tenth of a second to feed each insect.

What about animals who lived a long distance away? Assuming that Noah lived somewhere in what we now call the middle east, what happened to those animals that came from Australia? How did they get across the Pacific or Indian ocean? What about the animals that live only in South America? What about the animals that live only in the Antarctic? We're talking of an enormous, global planned migration, over many thousands of miles through inpassable terrain. It simply could not have happened.

What about the larger animals? Let's start off with the large mammals, such as elephants. These come in two varieties, - African and Indian - that's 16 tonnes already. Next we can add the rhinoceros (5 species, 2 of each = 10 tonnes), hippopotamus (3 tonnes), that's almost 30 tonnes just in these three animal types.
Now let's add in those 1,500 different species of rodents, there are over 10,000 bird species in the world.

How much food would be required?
Here's a list of what Dallas zoo has to purchase in order to feed all its animals for one single day;
A ton of hay, 35 pounds of fish, 50 pounds of meat, 100 stalks of celery, five pounds of red onions, 100 pounds of carrots, 25 pounds of spinach, 15 pounds of kale, 10 pounds of mixed vegetables, 150 pounds of sweet potatoes, 10 heads of cabbage, 48 heads of romaine, 30 ears of corn, four loaves of wheat bread, 24 eggs, a pound of yogurt, 40 pounds of bananas, eight pounds of blueberries, 170 oranges, 500 apples, 36 cantaloupes, four papayas, 250 rodents (the variety pack), 6000 mealworms, 600 wax worms and 7500 crickets.

They most certainly don't have two of every kind of animal either. Where do you think Noah stored all these vegetables? How did he stop them from going mouldy? Answer - he couldn't. It's impossible.

Reading all this, what do you think of it all???

He could live for 900 years, god helped him what more can I say

I totally agree with you

Why are you messing with people's fairy tales? I mean if they're adults and they still believe in magic, then what's the harm? (also, if they're over the age of 5 and still believe, a little thing like evidence isnt going to sway them).

oh and it's interesting how the flood story matches up with Mesopotamian accounts,

- Gilgamesh Epic: Gilgamesh went to Upnapishtim to learn the secret of eternal life.
• The Genesis story describes how mankind had become obnoxious to God; they were hopelessly sinful and wicked. In the Babylonian story, they were too numerous and noisy.
• The Gods (or God) decided to send a worldwide flood. This would drown men, women, children, babies and infants, as well as eliminate all of the land animals and birds.
• The Gods (or God) knew of one righteous man, Ut-Napishtim or Noah.
• The Gods (or God) ordered the hero to build a multi-story wooden ark (called a chest or box in the original Hebrew).
• The ark was built and loaded with the hero, a few other humans, and samples from all species of other land animals.
• The hero sent out birds at regular intervals to find if any dry land was in the vicinity.
• The first two doves returned to the ark. The third bird (raven) apparently found dry land because it did not return.
• The hero and his family left the ark, ritually killed an animal, offered it as a sacrifice.
• God (or the Gods in the Epic of Gilgamesh) smelled the roasted meat of the sacrifice.
• The hero was blessed.
• The Babylonian gods seemed genuinely sorry for the genocide that they had created. The God of Noah appears to have regretted his actions as well, because he promised never to do it again.

for more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilgamesh_flood_myth

omgee never though of it that way what are you some kinda genious(spell error I know but you know what I mean) I agree all the way

Nope cant take the credit for this ;-) but …… you can read much more on this topic at
http://www.frayn.net/evolution/claim4.html

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I just took as little as possible out there, otherwise this would have been over 4 pages

Ty, I just wanted to add some facts to the “magic” ;-)
BTW - Nice post :-)

YES!!!

god helps no one, how come thousands of people die everyday from painful disease

According to the Quran and the sayings of Prophet Mohammed:
Noah was a prophet who called his people to return to the worship of the One True God. There were ten generations between Prophets Adam and Noah (a very large period of time, as Noah himself lived over a century).
Prophet Muhammad said : “The names (of the idols) formerly belonged to some pious men of the people of Noah, and when they died Satan inspired their people to prepare and place idols at the places where they used to sit, and to call those idols by their names. The people did so, but the idols were not worshipped till those people (who initiated them) had died and the origin of the idols had become obscure, whereupon people began worshipping them.”
Since this was mankind’s first deviation from the correct worship of God, God sent Noah, the first of His Messengers.
When Noah warned his people, his warning fell mostly on deaf ears; his people turned away and refused to listen.
Those who responded to Noah’s call were the weakest and poorest (they were few).
For 950 years, Noah continued to appeal to his people, day after day and year after year.
God said : “Indeed We sent Noah to his people (he said): ‘I have come to you as a plain Warner that you worship none but God, surely, I fear for you the torment of a painful Day.’ The chiefs of the disbelievers among his people said: ‘We see you but a man like ourselves, nor do we see any follow you but the meanest among us and they too followed you without thinking. And we do not see in you any merit above us in fact we think you are liars.’” (Quran 11:25-27)
Finally, he could bear no more and turned to God: “My Lord! Leave not one of the disbelievers on the earth. If you leave them, they will mislead Your slaves and they will beget none but wicked disbelievers.” (Quran 71:27).
So God accepted Noah’s prayer, God instructed Noah to build the ark:
“And construct the ship under Our Eyes and with Our Inspiration and address Me not on behalf of those who did wrong; they are surely to be drowned.” (Quran11:37)
Noah chose a place outside the city and far away from the sea to build his ark. The disbelievers mocked and laughed, making comments about the ship’s location, far from any water source. The disbelievers had no comprehension of the power and magnificence of God, so they could not understand why Noah would build a ship, on the top of a hill, far away from the ocean. They called him crazy and laughed out loud. The ship began to take shape and when it was finished, Noah patiently waited for the command from God.
“Until when Our Command came and the lowlands gushed forth, overflowing, We said: ‘Load it with two of each kind of animal (male and female), and embark your family, except against whom the Word has already gone forth, and those who believe.’ And none believed him except a few.” (Quran 11:40)
When the water started to gush from the earth and fall from the sky, God instructed Noah to enter the ark with his family and the believers. God also commanded Noah to take a pair (male and female) of every animal, bird and insect with him. The disbelievers watched him incredulously, asking what he intended to do with all the animals.
Noah’s wife did not join him, for she had never believed in the message that Noah had been preaching; nor did his oldest son, who preferred to flee to a high mountain. The scholars of Islam hold different opinions about the number of people on the ark, but the highest estimate is 80. As the believers and animals entered the ark, the water gushed from every crack in the earth, and the rain fell from the sky in quantities never seen before. Hour after hour the water levels rose, and the seas and rivers invaded the land.
Noah had built the ark according to God’s instructions, from planks and nails.

Now Jane, that is not fair. If you throw science, logic and facts at the believers, it will send them into a tizzy...

*** He could live for 900 years, god helped him what more can I say

...and god magically held the boat together, and god magically summoned the animals, and magically crammed them all into the boat, and magically allowed kangaroos to swim, and magically made unimaginable volumes of water appear and then disappear ...and magically blah blah blah.

Gee, why didn't god just magically zap all the people he wanted dead - or better yet, just not create them in the first place, rather than this whole flood business held together by nothing but magic at every turn?

Mouici you can blah blah blah on and on about your Quran Sir,
I and many has read all those far fetched stories! I can only ask:

Did you read the facts which I’ve provided above and visit the site?
Considering those, does your story still make sense???
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Lol Jimahl, but if Facts does not wake humankind from their Dream world, nothing will and I’m afraid there’s no hope for them. If they could only learn to use their logic mind!

--...god helped him what more can I say--

...well now it doesn't say that in the bible, christians only use that so the story that makes no logical sense makes some

just to clearify
I meant YES!!! as in
I AGREE!!!

If Facts does not wake humankind from their Dream world, nothing will and I’m afraid there’s no hope for them.

there isnt

Wouldn’t it be a fact to say this or that many insects, rodents or mammals inhibits our earth?

Wouldn’t it be fact that animals from South America and Antarctica wouldn’t have been able to cross the ocean?

Wouldn’t it be a fact to say, in order to load this many animals, you need this space and the ark/ship must have THIS strength to carry this load? (How else do Engineers Calculate building or ship strength? They work on given facts)

Wouldn’t it then be a fact then that this total of animals would consume this much food in a given day? Because it IS a fact that not even half of them are able to hibernate!

Wouldn’t it also be a fact that you need this amount of space conserved to be able to store food for all these animals and also fact that you need refrigeration to be able to last that long, or did he perhaps carry with him a piece of land; seems like he had space for it?!?!?

everything in the bible matches up with certain events in history.

Uh hu that’s your opinion, next thing your gonna tell me Revelations would also???

If Noah’s flood occurred, then why are the Pyramids in Egypt still standing, because according to xtians, the flood were the reason Grand Canyon formed???
The Pyramids are even closer to where Noah was, not further away like the Canyon!

Look at my post here:
http://www.funadvice.com/q/...

this is where your history originated ;-)