What do you think of this scripture?

There has been a lot of debate as to whether or not your acts have anything to do with getting to heaven. I found this scripture about it and I would like to know what you think about it. Will we be judged by our acts? or do we get into heaven if we just accept Christ as our Savior?

(ps: I am LDS...I'll comment at the end of what you all think!)

here's the scripture:

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind," 1 Cor 6:9 KJV.

I look forward to your thoughts!

to arachnid...
I believe in God, and I believe He will judge and condemn some to hell. I do not believe most people in the world have no idea who He is... or never heard of Him. in the bible (old testament) countries other than israel were told about Him - many even warred against israel and were convinced of Him, but they chose to maintain their traditional beliefs. I believe God touches everyone in some way, giving them a chance to come to Him - choose Him and love Him.

now about the question about our acts... our acts alone will not get us into heaven. we must have a relationship with God. the Levitical law of the old testament was too show mankind that we need God's grace... we can't get into heaven without Him - in our imperfection, we all have sinned and will sin... but the blood of Jesus covers us, making us perfect and new. that's why the bible shows that some will proclaim their good works but Jesus will say to them that He never knew them... God wants to be loved, He wants us to choose Him - and the more we love Him, the more we will be merciful to each other, love each other, connect and care for each other, and be like marines where the goal is to never leave a fellow soldier (in our case human) behind... God wants us to have a relationship with Him, as we have with our closest friends (even closer - where another human can not always be there, God can).

"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." 1 Cor 6: 9 and 10 NIV

I think that verse 9 has to be read with verse 10. (I've included both above.) Our acts condemn us. We are judged on what we do, but we are not condemned by our former acts if we have been 'sanctified' and 'justified' by accepting Jesus as our Lord and Saviour.

I agree with flossheal when she says you have to read it in conjunction with verse 10. I don't think it's safe to cherry-pick bits of the bible and draw conclusions from them. If you do that, you don't have a good understanding of the context.

It would be like me making the conclusion that chocolate is bad for me because it contains sugar, which will in turn lead to tooth decay, without researching and finding that chocolate has antioxidants in it, which are good for the body.

I still haven't seen a satisfactory explanation of what happened to the vast majority of people throughout history who were never introduced to christianity, and thus were never 'saved'. Do you really believe in such a capricious god that would doom most of humanity? If not, and it's possible to be 'saved' without converting, why can't you leave me alone to simply be a good, non-religious person?

godzilla: Believe it or no, most people in history have not encountered christianity. Even now it's not universal, but it's been known only to a few western countries for most of its existence. Do you really believe that your god condemned most of the people who lived between AD0 and now because of where and when they were born, because they couldn't even learn of his religion?

The WAY is to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior - your sins (all those mentioned in that verse are forgiven, to be remembered 'no more') - bottom line: Works, No - Jesus, Yes...Hope this helps !!

Our acts to not get us into heaven. The only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ. Those who choose not to accept him will not be there. If you walk the Roman's Road
vs. 1:16; 3;23; 6:23; 5:1; 5:8; and 8:38-39 it explains this. However, according to just about every pastor I've met agrees that Once you reach heaven, your acts will be judged. They will be refined with fire. Also see Matthew 25: 31-46, this is the Judgement of the sheep and the goats. We believe this will occur just after the glorious appearing of Christ. This judges what you do for others. For the least of these... Most born again believers will tell you, that after they accepted Cjhrist, they felt urged to do something with their faith. Whether that be to share it with others, or to help someone, anyone around them. Its rediculous to think we can live up to the gift that Jesus gave to us, but if you take the time to look at all the scriptures around any given verse and keep them in context you come up with a greater perspective of what that gift was, and a small way to share it with others.
If you want more information there is a wonderful bible Study site @ http://bible.christianity.com
They have a fully interactive bible study site, with every version of the bible you can think of, and the ability to personalize it, plus daily devotions, and a plan for studying. Also you may want to look up Tim Lahaye, I disagree with his theoryon the timing of the rapture, but everything else I've heard from him has been right on.
I leave you with one more verse, one more command.
Matthew 28:19-20 Therefore go and make desciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.

torikeene: Then the same question applies to you: Do you really believe your god doomed every person between AD0 and now who had the misfortune to live somewhere where they never heard of christianity? That the majority of humanity miss out because of an accident of birth?

I want to also answer Aracnid, who has a very valid question, which is not one than can be glossed over. For those who have never heard of Jesus, there is, at the end of the Millenial Kingdom, a Judgement, called the Great White Throne Judgement. This judgement is for those who were not believers in Christ, as any who do believe in Christ will either be raptured, or will live to enter the Millenial Kingdom of 1000 years. This Judgement is spoken of in
Revelation 20:11
Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from His presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he/she had done. Then death and hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Now, to clear everything up, if you are not saved by the blood of Jesus Christ you will be judged by what you have done. This is for any not written in the Lamb's book of Life.

Now, take a minute and think. Have you ever heard of the ten commandments? If not let me ask you a few questions.

1. Have you always loved God before anything else? This includes money, your children, your parents...

2. Have you ever used an Idol? This also includes money, or if you have created in your mind a God different from the bible

3. Have you ever used the name of God to swear?

4. Do ytou set aside one day each week to remember God and what He has done for you?

5. Do you honor your parents? This means to respect and obey them whenever it is in your best interets (If your father wants to harm you of course dont listen)

6. Have you ever committed Murder. Probably not, but Jesus said that hatred of someone was like murdering them in your heart.

7. have you ever had sex outside of marriage. This includes every type of course.

8. Have you ever stolen something? An Idea, a piece of candy at the age of eight. A joke?

9. Have you ever lied about anything? This is my worst habit. I'm forever having to sqelch down telling people they look great when they obviously don't. That doesn't mean hurting their feelings of course, but telling the truth, when done kindly can help rather than hurt.

10. Have you ever been jealous of anyone, ever? This could be your friend's lunchbox in first grade, or a poem they wrote, or their cool new car.

Well, when your done answering those questions, take the numbers off them and listen to your consience. Do those actions feel right or do they feel wrong. There is your answer. The innocent do not do those things to each other.

Yes when Jesus came he became our sin offering, he took the punishment for us. That does not mean we are not still sinners. Everyone you know has sinned. Not one of us can match the glory of God. Can your good outweigh your bad. Probably not, so take what has been freely offered. In my last message I poisted the Roman's Road. Read those passages. If you do not have a bible, use the link I put in, and sign up for the BST. Take some time, think about it. Do you feel pure, clean, holy? Well, There's your answer.

Note: Jesus said >>> THE <<< not >>> A <<< WAY:

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

P.S. This is why it is our job to get the essage to as many as humanly possible.

torikeene: Alright, that's fine with me then - I'm happy to simply be a good person, do good things for their own sake, and take my chances.

Then you don't want to be in heaven and have a personal relationship with the Savior? Do you not want to be assured that you will live forever? Do you not want your sins washed away as though they had never been

Didn't you just say that all of that is possible without converting to christianity if you're a good person? Isn't that how it works for people who've never heard of christianity, if they're good people (by some definition of the term)?

I'd rather not take any chances!

The life with Christ is just too easy to accept for some. All you do is invite Him into your heart to live and reign there. Ask Him for forgiveness, for we all have sinned and fall short of His Glory. Once accepting Him, tell someone and then LIVE like it! Confess that He is God and then do those works, and that when you see someone, they are to be seen as better than yourself.

God has given us all Common Grace: each breath we take, etc
His Special Grace is when we want to do His will.

To sillygirl006: We worship the LORD our provider, not the stuff we have or the "works" of someone else as do the LDS. Where is the cross, the reminder of what Christ has done for us, once for all? Many past LDS have come to our independent Bible church because of questions like, "Where IS Jesus?", "Why am I harassed for not tithing?", and just ending a prayer in Jesus Name just doesn't cut it.

I have many friends who are LDS: my tax man is, as are his whole family is and still our friends, our best veterinarian is, and the only saving Grace that I know is that the Bible is used and God's Word will never return void.

His Golden rule is the Platinum Rule: Do unto others as I have for you.

Arachnid: did you take a good hard look at the 10 questions? Every single person in this world today has sinned. There has only ever been one that was sinnless. Jesus. Look at it this way, say you had a really big fine, and you're in court and the judge says pay it now or go to jail for it. Well lets just say, in walks this person you don't know, who has no fines and He says, I'm here to pay the fine. WOW! Not only did He pay the fine, He took your time in Hell. He broke the Gates of Hell so that we sinners don't have to go there. I'll stop bugging you about it now, but you will be in my prayers.

wow...some good discussion. I am sooo going to comment on what you have all said.

later.

torikeene: So... all these people that never heard of christianity have to be completely sinless in order to not go to hell? And since nobody's sinless, according to christianity, we're back to the majority of the human race being doomed to damnation purely because they never had the opportunity to even hear of christianity. Is that really the sort of god you believe in?

As far as I can see, the choice for christians is either to believe in a god that capriciously dooms most of humanity to eternal damnation with no possiblity of redemption (since they never knew the 'true' religion), and the majority of the remainder for not converting, or, you can believe that you can be 'saved' without being a christian.

Do parents discipline their children for misbehaving? Do courts judge a person for committing a crime? All of the commandments have to do with right and wrong. Have you ever seen a judge give someone a slap on the wrist and respected the judge afterward?

Just because a person doesn't know Jesus doesn't mean they haven't still sinned. That's why it's so important for us to spread the word.

It says in the bible that Jesus broke the gates of Hades. Maybe that means that those already dead found out about Him there. And if that's true and they believed doesn't it stand to reason that they would spread the word there just as we are doing here?

Yes I believe in a God who is a Judge. He is also unwilling that any should perish. It says so countless times in the Bible. But sin cannot be a part of heaven. How can he allow it to corrupt His kingdom. If you really want someone to be angry at, realize it is satan who impedes the work of Christ. We are trying, but there is so much opposition. Even now people all over the world are being murdered for their faith. It is satans will that all the souls belong to him. Please, look carefully at the scriptures I referenced above. I'll be praying

torikeene: So just to be clear: You believe that your god doomed everyone who was born after Jesus but never heard of christianity to eternal damnation based on an accident of birth, simply because they had the misfortune never to hear of your religion?

In a word: YES