Religion

Christians:
If someone was to prove god isn't real, there is no heaven, no hell, blah blah blah, would you actually believe them??
I don't mean like, just someones views, but I mean scientists doing all that stuff and proving all that crap actually...

isn't real. Would you open your minds a teeny tiny bit to the possiblity of believing it? Or would you stay strong?

(if your atheist or something answer too, if someone was to prove god was real)

Just curious, and I hope I didn't offend anyone by this ^_^

Here's the problem with that scenario:

You cannot have FAITH (belief without knowing) in God, and simultaneously KNOW he exists. According to God, faith is a requirement, and there is no point in Christianity without it. The same goes for ALL monotheistic practices. The purpose for practicing, is to be rewarded in the afterlife, for your FAITH.

Which is why NOBODY can prove God exists. Think of an ant farm, do you think the ants contained within, posess the relative cognative ability to realize they're in a glass case on some 11 year old's desk? NO. Their world exists within those walls; and anything beyond that ant farm physically... is beyond those ants... intellectually. Which is why humans cannot prove or disprove the existence of God. The concept is quite literally (and intellectually)... beyond us.

And if God IS the perfect being, like some people believe, and he is incapable of error, like some people believe; then God made it IMPOSSIBLE for humans to prove he exists, to secure that FAITH concept mentioned earlier.

***Simple: it all comes down to this - if the believer dies and there's nothing more, they're just dead like everyone else blah blah thumpity blah***

WRONG. Once again, you left out other religions and other gods; and once again, your opinion is worthless.

PSALMS 83:18...

from what I learned and grew up in
there is no hell
there is no heaven..
well atleast no heaven that we will go to...why you ask?
bc god loves every single one of us
and he is very forgiving..
he is our creater..he WOULDNT
make us live in a world of fire as we burn and are
tormented or whatever
that is most defenitly NOT a way to
show us the love the bible says he has for us
and that he has shown to us..and if everyone went to heaven...
where would we all freakin fit?! like seriously..
think about it.

Ty,
What's your stand on this? I see you getting very defensive there.

oh it was just mild sarcasm... I dont like it when people claim they have science backing up their ridiculous theories...

and I think anyone who claims to know the truth (beyond a doubt) is supremely arrogant... so in answer to your question, I dont think it is possible to KNOW either way... If you want to know if I believe in God (or at least some form of a God) then yes, however, I realize it is faith based on absolutely nothing and odds are probably that I'm wrong and am simply talking to myself, but I hold the right to believe whatever I want...

people have been saying we evolved from the apes just because of the many similarities of our bodies and actions. however, they HAVE discovered that we have something in us that goes far beyond evolution. so, if someone proved that there is no God (which is SO NOT true), I'd still believe. even though I don't know all the answers (no one does) doesn't mean we can't believe.

they HAVE discovered that we have something in us that goes far beyond evolution

oh do tell, what is this thing that goes beyond evolution?

PROVING all that crap actually isn't real

how do you prove the non-existence of God? By God's very nature, God is beyond science... You can prove some things in the bible (fill in any holy book here) are false, but that doesnt disprove God...

Then again you cant disprove unicorns, or santa claus...

I think organised relgion is bollacks but I understand that some people need to have that hope and also moral guidance.
Although religion causes a lot of hate it's something our society needs.
I think without the promise of heaven and hell people would just go insane.
Some people need to believe that they are here for a purpose and that when times get rough they have some great force looking after them.

I think science is unreliable as relgion, they used to believe the earth was flat.
I doubt they would ever be able to disprove god anyway.

I'm sure people can't Prove god is real, or not real.
I'm agnostic, So therefore I'm open.

Ty,
What's your stand on this? I see you getting very defensive there.

I think people are just stubborn. Let them believe what they want to believe... its too hard to change their mind anyway from the looks of it. If someone were to scientifically PROVE god existed then sure, Ill believe it. I believe that there is more evidence pointing to evolution path as opposed to a god.

I suggest watching Zeitgeist. Available from p2p easy. Not an illegal download either My opinion is very similar to that.

Sorry in advance if I offend anyone with the following.

Religion has actually convinced people that theres an invisible man, living in the sky, who watches everything you do, of every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list, of 10 things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these 10 things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever, until the end of time
But he loves you. He loves you.
He loves you and he needs money! He always needs money!
He's all powerful, all perfect, all knowing and all wise, somehow, just can't handle money!
It goes on like this.

So yeah with that kind of view in mind I do believe science is closer to the truth that religion.
To me religion is a money making scam.
Also take note of what has caused more wars than anything else... yup, religion. Not even money tops it.

On the contrary, many people do need something to believe in, something to have faith by. But still, with all that, I believe religion is still a myth.

Well said Amblessed.
Well said.

I have said this before,

I would rather die a believer and realize Gods not real than die a non-believer to find out that He is.

I do not, however, hate on other religions, discriminate on other beliefs or haze the believers. Everyone is entitled to believe what they would like. No one should try to destroy that.

Since amblessed can never answer this question, I'll ask YOU, lanternoflight...

Pascal's Wager ignores a very obvious THIRD possible outcome: What if you believe in the WRONG god?

If you could provide real evidence that God exist and thew bible is true I would have no choise but to believe. However if it was the God of the bible I wouldn't wworship him for all the horrable things hes done in the bible alone. I don't believe cause theres no evidence to prove he is real the bible is not evidence

I hate to say it but I think there are a lot of christians that would never not believe no matter how much evidence there was to disprove God

If someone proved some god was real, then of course I would believe it. My disbelief results from an abject lack of any kind of evidence for any deities, combined with my knowledge of the history of how god ideas developed from ancient astronomy.

Would I grovel around worshipping a god if it was proved real? It's hard to imagine any real god would even desire such primitive behavior. A being that created a grand and rational universe is unliklely to be an emotional infant needing constant praise. My 6 year old is more mature than the depiction of gods most theists present.

Most peoples' belief in god is phrased so as to be deliberately impossible to disprove. You can't disprove the existence of most gods, because part of their supposed powers is to be invisible from all observation.

Convenient, huh?

**8oh it was just mild sarcasm... I dont like it when people claim they have science backing up their ridiculous theories... ***

Ty,

She was implying a '...what if?' scenario...

*confused*

I was referring to comment made by punkrocker4ever, I know ally_xo was implying a what if scenario... I was just pointing out the way they define God, makes it impossible to disprove it... if there was a way, well a lot of them dont believe in evolution and that disproves their creationism theory...

I would beleive it even if the world all the sudden vanished which would never happen were completely NOTHING witout GOD! He is true, I've seen it proved! I'm not going against anyone! But I know what I know! he's there for me always. He's never left me, and has stood by my side, Things just don't all the sudden get better, ITS GOD!!! I beleive that there is a heaven and hell but he loves us all sooo much! It's our choice if we want to serve him or not! I'm a true beleiver no matter what happens I'm standing up for SAYING THAT GOD IS REAL! nothing can change my mind!

I'm 14!

It's just not possible.. so, my answer is no.

***I've seen it proved!***

No... you haven't...

***I'm 14!***

Oop... that explains it...

No.

I doubt they would change
the bible is proof*rolls eyes*

If they were to actually prove in God such I'ld believe, but not the bible for the bible was written by men.