Is this true or false ?

Today June 3, 2009: The Telegraph UK is reporting this headline:
Barack Hussein Obama: US one of the largest Muslim countries in the world - Is this true or false ?

I don't believe any of you , Editor, Jimahl or anyone else who has attacked ambless had any right to do so.

First he never accused Muslims of being nut jobs and he wasn't preaching anything. He simply ask if this news/blog headline was true or false. You all are so biased and arogant in your ideology that you don' t read what is ask, you look for a way to spin or take something completely out of context just so you can spew your hatred towards someone.

Second, he wasn't showing any intolerance towards the muslim community either, who are you to call someone intollerant when all you do is name call and spew all your hatred. I'm not going to stoop to your level and call you idiots or morons or any other name that is degrading, but I will call you hypocrites. I do so because anytime someone disagrees with your oppinion or ideology you call them names or you call their belief system names (like cheezy jesusy or fake/faux news) why can't you have an intelligent debate without mocking? because of your hypocritcal intollerance.

Just to make the record straight I have called utopia a moron after she called me a name to that I appologize, but I will never stoop to your level again because my belief system or my savior Jesus Christ chastized me for acting like you. Go ahead and make fun because I know you will, you can't help it.

Oh and one more thing the united states has less than one percent muslims in it, hardly enought to call it one of the largest muslim countries. Another note about the black muslim convert who killed the american soldier at the recruiting station, he has hatred, what is this nation becoming. He should be hanged he is an american who killed another american, that is what radical islam teachs, kill the infidel.

Just so you know where I stand, the man who killed Dr. Tiller should be put to death to for premeditated murder. Although I believe Dr. Tiller is a murderer, I believe until this nation changes the laws on abortion and abolishes it he had a legal right to his practice, legal not moral.

Any of you who critized amblessed should publically apologize to him for completely misrepresenting what he ask.

it may be true I doubt it thou... but it is from the news soo yea

I just spent about 15 minutes looking on their site for that headline. Can you please show me where it says that?

from wiki:
Region Country or Territory / Population (2007) /% Muslim / Total number of Muslims
North America United States/ 301,139,947/ 0.6%[268] - 1%[269] /1,806,840 - 3,011,399

maybe that is hard to read in this format, but that suggests about 2-3 million muslims in the US. Another chart omn wiki says we have about 4.4 million, good enough for 38th largest muslim population in the world. Census information is difficult to track, but I would venture to guess that about 1% of our total population is muslim. That's still a large number, but it doesn't seem that way. Either way, we would be in the top 50 countries in terms of muslim population in the world.

Verbatim:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_harnden/blog/2009/06/03/
barack_hussein_obama_us_one_of_the_largest_muslim_countries_in_the_world

more articles on news.google.com also.

I couldn't find this on the telegraph, but I found it on the white house website.

The whole quote is Now, the flip side is I think that the United States and the West generally, we have to educate ourselves more effectively on Islam. And one of the points I want to make is, is that if you actually took the number of Muslims Americans, we'd be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world. And so there's got to be a better dialogue and a better understanding between the two peoples.

Is this true? It depends on how you define one of the largest. I don't really think it is true. We probably fall somewhere in the middle in the number of muslims living here. The point he was making was that there are a lot of american muslims, and we should be able to find plenty of common ground to get along.

But of course doing a search for this I only found it on the white house website, and of course many conservative wingnut sites, and they are all reporting it as if Obama said something unamerican.

OK...

1. The article in the Telegraph was a blog / editorial. Not news.

2. This is the exact quote from Obama (since your questions rarely actually show quotes, just headlines or bits taken out of context).

Now, the flip side is I think that the United States and the West generally, we have to educate ourselves more effectively on Islam.

And one of the points I want to make is, is that if you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we'd be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world. And so there's got to be a better dialogue and a better understanding between the two peoples.

Do I see anything wrong with that? Nope. Statistically, it could be true. I'm not a statistician.

But I'm utterly offended by the editorialist, who seemed to insinuate that because Obama's middle name is Hussein, he wants to make the US something Muslim and / or evil.

Amblessed...being Muslim does not equate to being evil. Surely Christianity would disapprove of hating an entire religion because of a few crazy extremists? Would you be OK with me saying I hate all Christian anti-abortionists because of one who killed that abortion doctor? That's just not fair either. Practice what you preach. Show a little tolerance in people who may be different from you.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_harnden/blog/2009/06/03/
barack_hussein_obama_us_one_of_the_largest_muslim_countries_in_the_world

This is was not in the news section of the telegraph, it was in the blog section and was obviously written by a wingnut.

Said above: Show a little tolerance in people who may be different from you. Not all Muslims are nutjobs.

Thanks for the public lecture but where did I 'say or show no tolerence' and where did I accuse 'all Muslims are nutjobs'

ANSWER: NOWHERE ...How about an apology ??

From the verbatim article: MY originated words: Is this true or false ?

Barack Hussein Obama: US one of the largest Muslim countries in the world
Posted By: Toby Harnden at Jun 3, 2009 at 04:14:00 [General]
Posted in: Foreign Correspondents
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It is important to note that if you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we'd be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world.

So says President Barack Obama. Or I should say: Barack Hussein Obama.

That's right: Barack Hussein Obama. Say it proud. Say it out loud. The middle moniker that dared not speak its name during the election campaign is now front and centre of the US president's attempt to woo the Muslim world, the theme of his visits to Riyadh on Wednesday and Cairo on Thursday.

Petrified of the potential political fallout of being branded a Muslim, Candidate Obama - a practicing Christian - never used the name Hussein and its use was frowned upon as a forbidden code for the nutty accusation that he was some kind of Islamic Manchurian candidate.

No more. To say Barack Hussein Obama - BHO for short - now appears to be the height of political correctness.

As I argue in this analysis for the Telegraph dead tree edition, Obama is seeking to return to a Middle East policy based on realism - buttressed by the bona fides of his own multi-cultural (including Muslim) background.

In Strasbourg two months ago, the president tried out his full name. Days later in Ankara, he was introduced to the Turkish parliament by his full name.

As ABC's Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller astutely outline here, the Obama administration is embracing the new president's inner Muslim, as it were. Deputy national security adviser stated that Obama had experienced Islam on three continents...growing up in Indonesia, having a Muslim father -- obviously Muslim Americans [are] a key part of Illinois and Chicago.

So that's once, twice, three times a Muslim?

Just in case the Arab world hasn't yet got this message of inbuilt tolerance, Mr Obama himself has gone a step further. In an interview with France's Canal Plus released on Tuesday evening, he suggested that the United States might be a Muslim country.

Obama said he wanted to create a better dialogue so that the Muslim world understands more effectively how the United States but also how the West thinks about many of these difficult issues like terrorism, like democracy, to discuss the framework for what's happened in Iraq and Afghanistan and our outreach to Iran, and also how we view the prospects for peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians.

So far, so blah - President George W. Bush often expressed much the same sentiments.

But then, as is his habit , Obama turned the concept around. Now, the flip side is I think that the United States and the West generally, we have to educate ourselves more effectively on Islam.

And one of the points I want to make is, is that if you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we'd be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world. And so there's got to be a better dialogue and a better understanding between the two peoples.

Obama said in Turkey that Americans do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. John McCain was criticised in 2007 for saying the US was a Christian nation, later amending this to a Judeo-Christian valued nation.

Of course, the concept of separation of church and state, which derived from the First Amendment to the Constitution, means that the US is not officially a Christian nation or a nation of any other particular religion. Which means, I suppose, that the US is as much a Muslim nation as a Christian one.

It's a bold - some might say audacious - turnaround by the president.

It's also a classically Obamaesque move.

During the 2008 campaign, he skillfully made himself, through his life story, the personification of change.

Now, implicitly contrasting himself with the born-again, evangelical Bush who pursued a post-9/11 crusade against terrorism, Obama is presenting himself to the Islamic world as the personification of a new, tolerant - and, yes, partly Muslim - America.

UPDATE: The excellent Don Surber crunches the numbers and points out that Obama's claim is highly dubious. According to Surber, the US has an estimated three to eight million Muslims, less than one per cent of the world's total and less than at least 23 other countries.

The average claim for the US Muslim population is about six million. The precise figure is difficult to get because it's not included in US census data and many put the figure at much, much less.

But even if we assume there are six million Muslims in the US, that makes it only the 34th biggest Muslim country in the world - behind Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Nigeria, China, Ethiopia, Algeria, Morocco, Afghanistan, Sudan, Iraq, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan, Yemen, Tanzania, Syria, Malaysia, Niger, Senegal, Ghana, Tunisia, Somalia, Guinea, Kenya, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Burkina Faso and Tajikistan.

UPDATE 2: Debbie Schlussel cites a reputable survey by Pew that puts the number of Muslims in the US at 1.8 million. This would make it the 48th biggest Muslim country, after the above list plus France, Libya, Jordan, Israel, Turkmenistan, Uganda, Kyrgyzstan, Mauritania, Germany, Kuwait, Oman, Eritrea, Lebanon and Serbia and Montenegro - and just above Britain, which would be the 50th.

NEW YORK TIMES: Obama Says U.S. Could Be Seen as a Muslim Country, Too
By Jeff Zeleny

Tell me amblessed, do you agree with the writers views? Because he is an out and out racist. It is a not-so-subtle attempt to demonize Obama for accepting the fact that there are a large number of muslims in this country.

Obama said he wanted to create a better dialogue so that the Muslim world understands more effectively how the United States but also how the West thinks about many of these difficult issues like terrorism, like democracy, to discuss the framework for what's happened in Iraq and Afghanistan and our outreach to Iran, and also how we view the prospects for peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians.

So far, so blah - President George W. Bush often expressed much the same sentiments.

W might have said somthing similiar, but he never acted on it. W didn't take his first trip to the mideast until 2008.

I don't see here that amblessed has stated that muslims are evil. it is stated on the blog and not said by amblessed.
and it's Obama's statement that means US welcomes muslims in the country, and is open for the growing religion.

he's just asking if it's true that US is now one of the top Muslim countries.

and my asnwer is not quite, and nothing's wrong if it is.

No one said amblessedx said that muslims were evil. But he based his question on a blog entry that is filled with anti-muslim sentiment. Amblessed initially posted this question as if it were news. He did not say it was derived from a right wing blogger. He said The Telegraph.co.UK is reporting this headline. He said they were reporting, and not that someone blogged this. It makes a big difference.

Tell me jimahl, WHERE did I say this ??

Said above: Show a little tolerance in people who may be different from you. Not all Muslims are nutjobs.

jimahl: 1) I have no idea of the writers political leanings...had he been liberal you bet I'd have posted the same - 2) If you think ALL blogs are wrong in their reporting, you are ABSOLUTELY wrong !! - 3) your logic, if a blogger attends a meeting and quotes accurately what was said, he is not 'REPORTING'...sell that somewhere else !!

I say again, Tell me jimahl, WHERE IN THE QUESTION did I say this ??

Said above: Show a little tolerance in people who may be different from you. Not all Muslims are nutjobs.

***The Telegraph.co.UK is reporting this headline You stated reporting...
If you had not meant to misrepresent, you would have stated that a BLOG on the telegraph stated...
we all know how you twist and trick...lol, kind of like you say that satan twists and tricks us...

as for your views on muslims, I offer this as evidence of your extreme disrespect for this faith...
http://www.funadvice.com/q/...

Orion posted an extremely RACIST site against the muslim community...
The video basically linked ALL horror with the muslim religion...it was an horribly insensitive view of Islam.

I called her on it for what it was...a bigoted, racist video that spewed hatred towards the Muslim community...

YOU, amblessed, defended it as the truth...

moshposh...most of us have been dealing with amblessed for quite a while and know the tricks and hatred he spews...

Tell me jimahl, WHERE did I say this ??

I never said you did. Why are you directing this at me?

1) I have no idea of the writers political leanings...had he been liberal you bet I'd have posted the same -

I know you are smarter than that amblessed. It is quite obvious what his leanings are.

2) If you think ALL blogs are wrong in their reporting, you are ABSOLUTELY wrong !!

Blogs do not report. They opine.

3) your logic, if a blogger attends a meeting and quotes accurately what was said, he is not 'REPORTING'...sell that somewhere else !!

He did not just report. He gave his extremely biased opinion. There is nothing wrong with that, but it is not REPORTING! It is an OpEd.

cancersurvivor, many of us have been on the site a while, and know all about amblessed and his habit of misleading, misquoting, or out and out lying in some of his questions. By the way, I did answer the question, but I also questioned his attempt at making this look like a real news story, when it was only a blog entry.

Sorry Amblessed but this is what you get when you ask a simple true or false question to a liberal. Remember that first they must debate what was said for about an hour, then debate why they said it. Then debate weather or not its a trick question. Also debate if it will tarnish the wisdom of the president or any anti American establishment. Once they have formulated an answer and realize the answer can hurt the reputation of Obama or his respective anti-American establishments they have no choice but to dance around the subject. We have established that Obama has this but you have to consider that his wisdom is beyond that of us mere mortals. Don't forget, you still think there are 50 states when that is CLEARLY not true. After all Obama said there are 57 and do you seriously think that people would elect him in if it wasn't true? Look at human behavior, they are so simple minded to follow popular culture even when they know that deep in their hearts they are wrong. They did a study in which 7 people were answering questions, 6 of them all knew to answer the question wrong. The 7th looked around wondering why they had answered it wrong, he decided that he should too answer it wrong just to fit in. Its like mothers who will defend their son's actions no matter how much evidence says otherwise.

There is no evidence that suggested that Amblessed is racist on that site. Nice try but it just shows that jihadist kill people. Amblessed NEVER said anything racist in that post. Nice try but everyone look at the post before juming to the WRONG conclusion. Not all muslims are jihadist.

You all are ridiculous. Did any of you read the article he linked? It was FILLED with anti-Muslim ideology and hatred.

And I could find links on here where amblessed, in his own way, is out and out racist toward the Muslim community (utopia has sure linked one).

Now the question is : Do you all *really* think he posted this to find out if it's true or false? Or did he post it because the rightwing nut who wrote it was blatantly racist in it, and amblessed agrees?