Is the baptist religion the same as the mormon religion?

I am confused about the different sects of Christianity and I would like to know if the Mormons are anything similar to the baptists, and where do the born-again Christians fiit into the whole scheme of things?

Thanks Rudy, I liked your answer...simple and to the point...

LOL @ Captainassassin...

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When Baptists refer to being born again they are usually speaking of a person being baptized and accepting Jesus Christ as the Son of God and their Saviour and professing their belief in the one true Father God. This phrase is not literal and is only meant to acknowledge the beginning of a new life in Christ and abandoning one's old ways for a life devoted to the Lord. In theory, all Christians are born again after accepting Christ but not all Christians use this exact phrase to describe the event of a person devoting their life to God.

Baptists and Mormons are very different, and though some similarities exist Baptist beliefs emerged only from biblical scripture whereas Mormons propagate the beliefs of Joseph Smith, a man who was thought to have fabricated the denomination for personal wealth and women. The Mormons also follow a book that is a grossly mistranslated version of the Bible that was adapted in 1830.

Oh, and I would like to address rudy- not all Baptist are evangelists. I am the daughter of a Baptist minister and would like to tell you that my father cannot stand Ted Haggard or any other self-proclaimed minister that defiles the name of God for secular possessions or any other benefit one may receive for falsifying or corrupting the divine scripture. Also, I would like to know where you obtained your information that Baptists practice polygamy because I was under the impression that that sin was reserved only for Mormons. Baptists do not find God to be some finite and deaf-eared man sitting on a throne indulging in our pain, but as a compassionate and just God that we have a personal relationship with through prayer and studying the scripture. Do not dare to confuse Baptists with some evangelical schlub preaching under the pretenses of a Christian while he goes around telling people send me a dollar and I'll send you a miracle. True Baptist beliefs are seeded only in scripture, not in the words of some false prophet that glorified Mormanism for personal profit.

no.

Baptist and Mormons are nothing alike. Mormonism is considered a cult not christianity. Mormons believe that they will become gods. Brigham Young said that As Adam is God once was, but as God is Adam can become He taught this for 20 years up until he died and it was taught for 30 years after he died. Then their prophet after 50 years of teaching denounce this belief as false teaching. My question to this is if The prophet after Brigham said this was false, then the Mormon church was not true for 50 years. If what he says is false according to what Brigham Young said, then the church today is false.

The Mormons believe that Jesus and Satan were spirit brothers and God wanted a plan for mankind. According to their belief he posed the question to Jesus and Satan as how to carry it out. According to their teaching He accepted Jesus' proposal and rejected Satan's. In their teachings Satan rebelled because of this and 1/3 of all the angels rebelled and this is where the black race came from. This is on a film called the God Makers that shows what they teach. According to the Bible Satan is a created being Jesus is God in the Flesh.

John 1:1-2 says that In the begenning was the word and the word was made flesh and the word was God, The same was in the begenning with God. The name Immanuel which is used in Isiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord Himself shall give yo a sign; Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shalt call his name Immanuel to tell of the comming of Christ, literally translates in the Hebrew language to mean God with us

The Bible teaches in the book of Deuteronomy 18:18-22 says this I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. This is the Biblical way of checking out or conferming whether or not a person who claims to be a prophet of God is or isn't. Joseph Smith the first prophet of the Mormon church made several prophecy's that didn't happen. I wil list a few:

1. In 1832 Smith prophesied that a temple would be built in Independence, Missouri, which temple shall be reared in this generation. For verily this generation shall not all pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord (Doctrine and Covenants, 84:4-5) To this day there is no such temple.

2. In 1835 Smith stated: It was the will of God that those who went to Zion, with the determination to lay down their lives, if necessary, should be ordained to the ministry, and go forth to prne the vineyard for the last time, or the coming of the Lord, which was nigh-even fifty-six years should wind up the scene. (History of the Chruch, 2:182) This would place the second coming of Christ in 1891, once again history proves Smith's prophecy was false.

3. Smith also claimed the American Civil War would be poured out upon al nations (Doctirne and Covenants, 87:2 History shows this was not the case.

4. Smith also prophesied that there were inhabitants living on the moon who wore black garments that were 7 feet tall and lived to be over 1000 years old. We have been to the moon and know for a fact that this isn't true. 150 years ago he would never thought that we would one day walk on the moon.

There are many more but I won't bore you.

Jesus said to Nickodemus that for a man to inherit the Kingdom of God he must be born again John 3:3, Nickodemus ask him how can a man enter into his mother's womb a second time. Jesus answered by saying Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. He is not talking of baptism here when he speaks of water he is speaking of the natural birth, the fetus grows in the mothers womb in a sack of water. Thus we know that for a child to be born the mothers water has to break. This is the first birth the second birth is the spiritual birth. That is why he said That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

To experience a spiritual birth one must be drawn by the spirit of God to a place they see themselves as God sees them.

1. a sinner Romans 3:23 For all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God

2. They need to understand there is a penalty for sin and that penalty is death Romans 6:23a For the wages of sin is death, Revelation 20:14-15. and death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

3. They need to realize you can't earn or buy your way into heaven it is a gift of God.
Romans 6:23b but the gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ our Lord, Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace ye are saved through faith and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God. Not of works lest any man should boast., and Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy He saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and the renewing of the Holy ghost.

4. They need to realize Jesus when he died on the cross, took our place and paid the price for all sin. Romans 5:8 but God commendeth (proved) His love for us in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us, 2 Corinthians 5:21For He hath made Him (Jesus) to be sin for us, who knew no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.

5. Realize that by puting their faith and trust in Him to forgive their sin and confessing their sin He will save them Romans 10:9-13 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus Christ and believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confesion is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

If you will by faith just believe this and ask Him to forgive your sin and come into your heart and be your Lord and Savior He will do so and save you from your sins.

The choice is yours. You can either reject the truth or receive it. I hope you receive it.

I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (aka Mormon and LDS). I don't know much about the Baptist religion, so I can't comment on it, but I can tell you this, the two reilgions are very different and have different beliefs. The only thing that I can be sure that the two faiths have in common is that we both believe that Jesus Christ is our savior.

Yes, the two are very different. I lived in Utah for 9 years. Before becoming a born again christian I was searching for the truth. I had the Mormon missionaries come to my house for right at 3 months. They never could answer some of the simplest questions, ie... where are the plates that Joseph Smith supposedly translated the book of Mormon from, and if according to the way that He translated the plates with the special specticles, (he claimed he looked into a hat with these specticles and a character would appear, he claimed that the character would not vanish and another would not come up until they had written down the correct character). If this is so why has the book of Mormon over 4000 literal changes to the text. If this is true and it is documented isn't that saying God is illiterit. Can't an all knowing God translate it correctly the first time. I was told by the missionaries that Joseph Smith was the one the Mormons were looking for to resurect them. If that is the case Why would Jesus neet to die. According to first John 1:7 if we walk in the light as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with the other and the blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth us from all sin. If Jesus' blood cleanseth us from all sin why do we need Joseph Smih to resurect us. The Bible says that Jesus Christ is the resuection.

ok. I think it's great that so many people are interested in my faith---the mormon faith, but if you have questions about it, don't ask someone you don't even know. if you want actual answers to your questions, go to the church's official website.

http://www.lds.org

there you will find out what our beliefs are. yes, we believe in God the Father, and His son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. we believe that they are not one thing or entity and that they are one in purpose.

we do NOT worship joseph smith, or any other prophet for that matter. j.s. is NOT our savior, we know Jesus Christ to be.

we are NOT a cult. I don't even know why you would think that, but message me if you want more details.

please do not believe what random people tell on this subject. shoot---don't believe me! go to the church's website and find out for yourself. please stop shooting rumors around the internet.

I have talked to stake presidents and missionaries about this. And none of them can answer this question. The Bible say in First Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear

This verse says you need to be able to explain why you believe what you believe. Maybe you never saw what I showed you today from Doctrine and Covenants. Maybe you don't know just what the Mormon church truly believes.

What I ask you is a very serious question. Most professing Mormons probably don't even know that this exist. I don't think you even know half of what the Mormon church believes. I don't mean this to put you down in any way either, what I mean is only certain Mormons those who are temple mormons really know what deep dark secrets the Mormon church teaches. The definition of a cult is a 1. Community or system of religious worship and ritual. a. Followers of such a religion or sect generally regarded as bogus or extremist. Followers of such a religion or sect. obsessive devotion to a person, rinciple of idea. the object of subject devotion.

The christian church which has been around since the book of acts. They were first called christians in antioch. The Mormon church started when Joseph supposedly found the plates in 1820. The Christian church has always considered the Mormon church a cult.

The Mormon Church Believes:
1. There is no literal hell. Read luke 16:19-31, Read Jacob 6:10 in the book of Mormon It tells there is a literal lake of fire and torment forever and ever. Read I Nephi 9:16 it says the same thing. Read Alma 5:56 says unless you repent you will be hewn down and cast into the fire.

It also says this about those who claim there is no hell.
I Nephi 28:22 says And behold, others ge flatereth away, and telleth them there is no hell; and he saith unto them: I am no devil, for there is none and thus he whispereth in their ears, until he grasps them with his awful chains, from whence there is no deliverance.

The Bible says the arm of flesh will fail you. I don't take anyones word I study the word myself to know if its truth or not. I challenge you because your eternal soul could be in danger. I haven't said any of this because I want to slam the Mormon church either. I have many friends who are steeped in Mormonism. It is my desire that they find the truth in the word of God not the works of Joseph Smith.

-yes, we do believe in a literal hell. that is exactly what those scriptures you (justsearching) are describing. interestingly enough, it is reserved for very few people, however.

-your definition of a cult is quite broad. according to it, every religion is a cult. I don't understand why you think we are extreme. what, because we read the scriptures? we dress modestly? we discourage tattoos? I thought tattoos and half-naked bodies were regarded as being extreme. when did that change?

-Christianity did not begin with Christ's birth. Christ is eternal, so is Christianity.

-I am well aware that mormons who are temple worthy are guided into deeper insight of the church than those that are not. but I know what I believe. there are no dark secrets. it's a hard subject to talk about...but I can assure you that nothing cultish, deep, dark or strange goes on it the temple. it is a place of beauty and insight.

-as for your interpretation of 1 Nephi 28:22---there is no 28th chapter in 1 nephi. 1 nephi only goes up to 22 chapters so I don't know where you were looking. do you have the correct reference? find it and I would love to help you understand what you're reading.

Great. I'm glad you don't trust me on these matters. I'm just trying to open your eyes. I DO NOT worship joseph smith. he is not my savior and those who say he is are ignorant of LDS beliefs. And honestly, we're all human, all of our eternal souls are in danger. Being a mormon, I know what I have to do. I know the plan of salvation, I understand it. I just wish you wouldn't throw around things that you have heard about my faith. it's not fair to me or to you. I dont do that to any member of any religion, and I would like the same courtesy. I'm not forcing you to believe what I do, but don't pass on facts about the Mormons. you don't know.

That's interesting you say that because I have spoken with many LDS missionaries and they all say that there is no literal hell or place of punishment but there are 3 kindgoms. And none of these are a place of punishment. They even teach you can earn you way to the higher kingdom.

Mormons also teach you can become a god. Brigham Young said as Adam is God once was, and as God is Adam can be. This was taught for 50 years in the mormon church but I believe it was in the 1890 the mormon prophet said this is false. Does this make one of the pillars (Brigham Young) a false prophet. According to Deut. 18 it does.

Would you care to explain Black people and the mormon church? I know they wouldn't allow Blacks to enter the priesthood so in 1977 the NAACP brought a lawsuit against the mormon church and poof the prophet of the mormon church had a revelation and said God told him that Blacks could now enter the priesthood.

You see the God of the Bible dosen't change, He dosen't cower down to governments, but the god of the mormon church apparently does. I am praying for you silly girl that the true God LORD JEHOVAH will open your eyes to the truth.

One last question, when Jesus said He has done nothing in secret, but everything openly, why does the mormon church not allow anyone except special mormons into the temple. What I mean by special is those who have the temple recomend from their bishop. Only those who wear the holy garments (underware), practice the monthly fast and have good standing with the church are allowed to enter the temple. According to Jesus Christ all those who are followers of Him are priest before God.

Baptist religion is a part of traditional Orthodox biblical Christianity, it is Protestant, evangelical, and different yet similar to the Orthodox, the Anglican/Episcopalian, and Roman Catholic traditions. All of those are mostly traditional and Orthodox Christian traditions-and they all claim to be based on the Bible. The Mormons are a cult that say they are Christian, and they refer to the Bible-but their teachings are in conflict with biblical true Christianity. Mormons and Baptists are similar in conservative values, but very different in real beliefs about the nature of God, Jesus, humanity, the Holy Spirit, God the Father, the devil, sin, and atonement for sin. The Bible is the basis for the Baptist religion. The Bible and other testaments are the basis, supposedly, if the the Bible at all, for Mormonism. The religions are not the same at all, once you find what they each really believe. Try looking up a Baptist church statement of faith for your local Baptist church, and start from that.

Study up on it; they are two separate and very different religions.

they're not thhe same trust me,

Baptist is as different as night day to Mormonism, the Baptist do not go door to door trying to recruit members, nor do they believe in pologamy

I am a Mormon, I know it's true, if you want your questions answered about artists, don't ask economists. Likewise, if you want to know about mormons, ask mormons. Mormon.org or LDS.org are the official sites.

Baptist believe that God was always there and always will be. They believe that God sent his son Jesus to die on the cross for our sins and then rose from the dead to purchase a place for us in heaven. Mormons believe that God was once a man. They believe that you have to earn your way to heaven. There are different levels of heaven. They believe that you can become God and populate
a planet with spirit children.

Jason is really wrong about the Mormon religion. First off the correct title is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Saints. The bible is still the main book. The Book of Mormons is another testament of Jesus Christ.
Plural marriage is no longer practiced in the Main body of the church. There are splinter group who may practice it. The do not worship Joseph Smith, he is a latter phophet like Noah or Moses. Do not judge any religion unlees you know the facts

Not they are definitely not the same. Mormons do not believe in the Trinity.

Those of you who quote scripture verses of passages from supplemental materials, could you provide the appropriate references, and perhaps stop hacking away parts of a passage? In fact, it wouldn't be a bad idea to post the entire chapter or section from which they're from, to provide perspective on the words being said.

Like my history professor says, rather than coming up with a conclusion based on your own prejudices and piecing together bits of evidence so you can prove something, put your emotions aside, find all of the CREDIBLE evidence that you can, put it in its appropriate order, and objectively test SEVERAL hypothesis with that evidence. Ultimately, one should be willing to go through this entire process over and over if a single new shred of evidence is produced, as this can easily change the outcome in a significant way.

I will admit, I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Obviously, my credibility in any form or way just went out the window because of my religious preference, at least where I live, the Bible Belt of America, the South.

Now, what I would have you know is that for the entirety of my teen years, I have personally found nothing but greif and sorrow within this church. Well, I shouldn't say that's the only thing, but its enough to drive a weak-willed individual to hatred. The reason for my predicament is because, unlike most in the Christian faith, I constantly question mine and other's beleifs, and very openly. Every day, I add to my personal codes, remove from them, or perhaps simply change them. I am what I like to call a Christian(not religious) moderate, because I am continually finding new ideas which, frankly, make more sense than the last ones. I will have to say, though, that this church of which I am a member, has a lot of good ideas, and offers answers about the infinite that are a bit more detailed than most other Christian sects.

The first that there are many misconceptions about is our beliefs of the Godhead, God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost. First off, no, we don't believe in the Trinity. The trinity is a concept of men that took an entire century to decide. Throughout the Bible, there is enough contradiction about the matter as to the seperation or oneness of these entitys.

But, assuming God and Jesus have physical forms, wouldn't that mean they could not occupy the same space? Or perform their duties(namely during Christs ministry). It is proven fact that matter, when left to its own devices, destroys itself, and any object that it makes. Here are several quotes from Jesus while he was on the cross that should be conclusive in this matter.

Luke 23:34
Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

Matthew 27: 46
Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani, that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Mark 15: 34
Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani, which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Luke 23: 46
Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit

Now, wouldn't it be arrogant to call yourself Father? Especially if you are the humblest and meek of all to walk the Earth?

As for the Holy Ghost, from my perspective, he does not have a body, thus he is able to be in an infinite number of places at once, but still retains a singular consciousness.

The next is heaven and hell. I don't know what idiots they had out on the mission field, but we most definitely believe in a hell. We just believe that God loves ALL of his children, and has provided a way to ensure that the majority end up somewhere decent for eternity, even if they weren't the best. However, like one of my fellow intellectuals expressed, Would it be fair to promote someone to a job position, someone who has worked hard for years, then to go and promote someone else who, despite having worked the same amount of time, expressed no enthusiasm and put out little effort during those years, to the same or equivalent position? I personally see the three degrees of glory as a better alternative to, Me and my buds, heaven, everyone else, hell. If you were ignorant of Chirst's teachings, I don't think you'll be punished the same as someone who was, but certainly rewarded for your good works when they were provided. Where hell falls in is for those who were in the most bright parts of day, having a full testimony of Christ and his teachings, just to not only turn their backs on it, but to actively attack it. I'm not talking about disgruntled ex-mormons, I'm talking about rare individuals like Judas. Hell, I believe, is reserved for truly the darkest of humanity, a place not even Hitler(I think) will have to lay eyes on.

As to regarding the various scripture, the Book of Mormon is not a second Bible. In fact, don't even let the name decieve you. Mormon was the individual who sought to preserve those records and abridge them into a single book towards the final chapters of the Book, in spite of the imminent destruction of his nation and his eventual death. Only his son, Moroni, is mentioned after him in this book, as the final carrier of the plates, the one who eventually buried them. But, getting back on topic, the church puts more emphasis on the Bible, especially the New Testament. I, personally, have been reading various passages of Translation from the Dead Sea scrolls, and they are most...enlightening, especially the unabridged form of the book of Isiah, though most of my local mormon associates don't like it when I bring my knowledge of these to church.

Now, the polygamy issue. This is one I still have a hard time on, and still don't approve of. We do not actively practice polygamy, and member caught attempting to is immediately ex-communicated and generally reported to the proper authorities. However, it is true that Joseph Smith was married to multiple women. In fact, I beleive it was something like 33. Did he have sexual relationships with most of them? I doubt it. Polygamy, in the negligible percentage of marriages that it was practiced in, was often a means to an end for widows and such, though I grimace as I write often, and am sad to say I can't write always. And any DC scripture references that you can bring to bear glorifying joseph smith in this respect, especially this one:

Verses 62-63: And if he [Joseph Smith] have ten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified... for they are given unto him to multiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfill the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be glorified.

are poor ones, because this was written after his murder, by Brigham Young and other authorities of the church. Also take note that this verse is abridged, due to its ridiculous length. I'll do best to make this the only hypocrisy in my message.

Then we believe in baptism, and believe it is necessary to enter heaven, thus our baptisms for the dead in our temples. We're not adding these passed individuals to our membership rolls, supposedly we're giving them the passage they need to continue. And no, we don't bring dead bodies or anything into our temples. You have a normal baptism in the font, and a person stands in for them. Of course, this is one piece of doctrine I am still investigating, even after having participated in them twice now(though not in any time recent).

Now the entire authority base to the church, based on a MAN's level in the priesthood, is something I have issues with. Unfortunately, I've been kicked too many times in the nuts by my younger sisters to be able to consider females an inferior sex(just kidding, but I have the same respect for any person, regardless of race, sex, or disposition).

Now all of your accusations of racial discrimination are a bit hypocritical. If one studies history in an objective manner, up until about fourty years ago, the White man, and more specifically, the english-descended, American White man, was the majority, and considered itself the most superior race on Earth. A good percentage of the US Presidents made remarks and even speeches regarding to this. And every White man was making this practice. You thought we were bad(when in fact, Joseph Smith ordained the first black man to the priesthood), take a look at your own denominations. More than one PREACHED white supremacy, rather than made off-hand comments about it. Though I do find it a shame it was in the past 40 years that such prejudices had to be forcefully removed, its all over with. Not to mention the entire story of Cain, I think, is all bs...

And finally, the church bending in to governmental pressure. I don't think that the incident in the 70s was the result of revelation, nor were there claims to it. Now the thing involving polygamy back in the 1800s, maybe. But it took quite a while, and the US was going to have Utah, whether it was through diplomacy or force. The Mexican-American War and Indian Wars were evidence of that. The Prophets claim of wanting to stand his ground, even though the temples would be taken, may have had some credibility.

And on a final note, I'm so glad that we're just combating in words. Back in the mid 1800s, when you guys would come out and start shooting up homes and businesses with rifles and the occasional cannon, or beating people to death with your bare fists, that was horrible. Of course, you can still try, if you don't mind finding out what 12 gauge shotgun slugs and 5.56mm NATO from an AR-15 feel like. But of course, no one has the guts to back up their words with violence anymore. Not even I.